Colorado Big Game Season Structure Survey

[Hnthrdr]

He works for Denver Fire and the entrance exam bar is low.

It’s honest work when you can get hired, I was the diversity hire because of my Nowledge

 

[sndmn11]

It’s honest work when you can get hired, I was the diversity hire because of my Nowledge

They needed to bring on an adequate carpenter for the house's full time general contracting business.

 

[Hnthrdr]

@sndmn11 just follow the smoke plumes, usually 1 off federal every day

 

[sndmn11]

I wonder what the economic impact would be if there was no draw, but 3-5 hunt codes were released randomly witho everyday at 11am as a first come first serve purchase? No OTC as a fall back and your only out is the undesirables that haven't sold before.

There'd be so many folks panicking over having a good tag in their cart and weighing letting it go to find better versus the risk of not hunting.

 

[Hnthrdr]

I wonder what the economic impact would be if there was no draw, but 3-5 hunt codes were released randomly witho everyday at 11am as a first come first serve purchase? No OTC as a fall back and your only out is the undesirables that haven't sold before.

There'd be so many folks panicking over having a good tag in their cart and weighing letting it go to find better versus the risk of not hunting.

It would crash the servers every day around 11 I bet haha

 

[KsRancher]

No need for leftover to be first, they’re leftover. Lol

People use leftover and turnback interchangeably.

Like I said, I don’t think Colorado residents are asking for something every other state isn’t already doing. How are your draw odds on Wyoming? 4.5 points for an otc tag (general), how about Arizona or New Mexico. Nevada? Utah? Colorado has the most elk and will continue to give the most NR opportunities but it sure seems like the NONRESIDENTS want their cake on a golden platter.

Not a golden platter. I just see how this will go in the future. When the residents aren't getting the tags they want in the time they want. It will be back to chopping away at NR.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Not a golden platter. I just see how this will go in the future. When the residents aren't getting the tags they want in the time they want. It will be back to chopping away at NR.

Of course it will give NR less opportunities. There are too many people wanting to use a resource that is shrinking. Every other western state has done the same thing but when Colorado does it everyone jumps up and down. Wyoming will have 2000 dollar general tags next year. Almost 3x that of Colorado.

Does Kansas give nonresidents the same opportunities as residents? Do they offer Otc whitetail buck tags? Why not? ThTs not fair.

There are plenty of places for sale out here! Come join us! My buddy moved to Kansas from Colorado. I think he double the size of his house on 5 acres for less than half of what he sold his house here in Colorado for. Gas is cheaper, taxes are cheaper, everything is cheaper. And he doesn’t have to deal with the BS that gets shoved on us by Boulder and Denver! Of course you don’t want to live here, but then again, you shouldn’t get the perks either.

PM me when Kansas has Otc white tail buck tags, I’d love to head out there the night before the opener and grab one from Walmart if my other options fall through.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Of course it will give NR less opportunities. There are too many people wanting to use a resource that is shrinking. Every other western state has done the same thing but when Colorado does it everyone jumps up and down. Wyoming will have 2000 dollar general tags next year. Almost 3x that of Colorado.

Does Kansas give nonresidents the same opportunities as residents? Do they offer Otc whitetail buck tags? Why not? ThTs not fair.

There are plenty of places for sale out here! Come join us! My buddy moved to Kansas from Colorado. I think he double the size of his house on 5 acres for less than half of what he sold his house here in Colorado for. Gas is cheaper, taxes are cheaper, everything is cheaper. And he doesn’t have to deal with the BS that gets shoved on us by Boulder and Denver! Of course you don’t want to live here, but then again, you shouldn’t get the perks either.

PM me when Kansas has Otc white tail buck tags, I’d love to head out there the night before the opener and grab one from Walmart if my other options fall through.

It’s like I always say, talking with NR is like speaking with a wall (sorry NR) . They can never comprehend how those of us that live in the defacto Western playground want to be able to hunt our home state every year, ugh we are just so dang greedy, how dare we!

 

[KsRancher]

I could be a turd a tell you that there are NR pulling into Wal-Mart and grabbing their tag at resident price, because it happens (not landowners). But I know what you were talking about. I don't know for sure. But I think that NR tags are getting harder to get here. Maybe every other year. As a resident we can grab one over the counter. Just can't get a place to hunt unless you have $5,000+ laying around.

I just don't understand being a Co. resident and being able to draw a decent tag or grab an OTC and have more ground than you can hunt. And still think you aren't getting your fair share.

 

[KsRancher]

It’s like I always say, talking with NR is like speaking with a wall (sorry NR) . They can never comprehend how those of us that live in the defacto Western playground want to be able to hunt our home state every year, ugh we are just so dang greedy, how dare we!

I have no problem with Co residents being able to hunt every year. I actually believe they should be able to. And guess what. THEY CAN.

 

[cnelk]

It’s honest work when you can get hired, I was the diversity hire because of my Nowledge

You weren’t driving this Fire truck today were you?

 

[Hnthrdr]

I have no problem with Co residents being able to hunt every year. I actually believe they should be able to. And guess what. THEY

Yes we Can have an OTC elk tag every year… deer tags are 100 % draw for everyone.

You weren’t driving this Fire truck today were you?


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no, I know the guy that was. Super sad deal all around. He is a really good engineer, from what I heard some idiots rushed the truck and the cops went to push them back and one of the cops slipped and his lower leg was crushed

 

[sndmn11]

I just don't understand being a Co. resident and being able to draw a decent tag or grab an OTC and have more ground than you can hunt. And still think you aren't getting your fair share.

For me it isn't a mind set of getting my fair share, I think it would better be described as not wanting to lose what we have. There's an undeniable trend from NR here and elsewhere demanding to close the equity gap.

We could take what I quoted above and replace an abbreviation with "non" and it would be an accurate statement from my perspective. I do know there are things in KS I am not legally allowed to hunt that residents are, and that is an easy thing to understand.

 

[KsRancher]

For me it isn't a mind set of getting my fair share, I think it would better be described as not wanting to lose what we have. There's an undeniable trend from NR here and elsewhere demanding to close the equity gap.

We could take what I quoted above and replace an abbreviation with "non" and it would be an accurate statement from my perspective. I do know there are things in KS I am not legally allowed to hunt that residents are, and that is an easy thing to understand.

I am sure that there are plenty not like this. But I can look at the 2023 elk draw recap and find several hunt codes that hit the NR quota but didn't fill the residents quota. So the rest go to the secondary draw. I don't understand what you mean when "don't want to lose what we have" when you don't even use what your alloted. There is so much opportunity for residents and nonresidents in Colorado. The nonresidents just go use the opportunity. The residents don't use theirs and then gripe that "they dont get their fair share" or "don't want to lose what we have". I honestly don't understand

 

[Ucsdryder]

I am sure that there are plenty not like this. But I can look at the 2023 elk draw recap and find several hunt codes that hit the NR quota but didn't fill the residents quota. So the rest go to the secondary draw. I don't understand what you mean when "don't want to lose what we have" when you don't even use what your alloted. There is so much opportunity for residents and nonresidents in Colorado. The nonresidents just go use the opportunity. The residents don't use theirs and then gripe that "they dont get their fair share" or "don't want to lose what we have". I honestly don't understand

You can find the one offs if you look hard enough. The pie is shrinking and more people are wanting to eat it. Something has to give and it’s non-resident opportunities.

 

[Hnthrdr]

I am sure that there are plenty not like this. But I can look at the 2023 elk draw recap and find several hunt codes that hit the NR quota but didn't fill the residents quota. So the rest go to the secondary draw. I don't understand what you mean when "don't want to lose what we have" when you don't even use what your alloted. There is so much opportunity for residents and nonresidents in Colorado. The nonresidents just go use the opportunity. The residents don't use theirs and then gripe that "they dont get their fair share" or "don't want to lose what we have". I honestly don't understand

It’s hard to understand from the outside. R have lost a ton as is. You are a rancher right? What if you had to draw for deer on your ranch every year? What if it got to the point where you can’t hunt your private land every year? Have a friend who had his land go from OTC, to draw to now he can’t even get a landowner voucher every year, maybe he can hunt 1 time in 3 years this is for deer and elk, this is happening all over the state. Be like saying cool you have a ranch but you can only hunt deer 5 hours from your house in a unit you don’t know, come on though it’s still opportunity right?

 

[sndmn11]

I am sure that there are plenty not like this. But I can look at the 2023 elk draw recap and find several hunt codes that hit the NR quota but didn't fill the residents quota. So the rest go to the secondary draw. I don't understand what you mean when "don't want to lose what we have" when you don't even use what your alloted. There is so much opportunity for residents and nonresidents in Colorado. The nonresidents just go use the opportunity. The residents don't use theirs and then gripe that "they dont get their fair share" or "don't want to lose what we have". I honestly don't understand

I believe the quota only applies to first choice, beyond that, I am almost certain second choice through reissue acquisition is without regard to quota. @cnelk or @Jaquomo probably know for certain.

I think there is a trickle up effect of more people choosing OTC. I think more people have and will end up in CO OTC because other western states seem to be retracting in their NR opportunity. I have bought two OTC elk licenses in my life as a Sherpa for friends, and the hunts were fine.

I think the trickle up happens when OTC is perceived as crowded and so people then choose to apply for the low point hunt codes rather than bank points. So while you are a NR and I am a R, and there are separate limited quotas, there's still an effect from OTC "crowding". Again, the two OTC experiences I have had were not crowded in my opinion and just fine, but it seems a lot of folks have a different perception and look to the draw.

I do also think that NR don't have the same stewardship for the hunts as R do. I hunt where two of the R on this thread do; separate units and separate species. I regularly see NR talking about these hunts and burning them because they see them as once in a lifetime. For us they are regular hunts that are becoming tradition and we run into R who are hunting there because they saw something online. All of it has an effect that doesn't seem like a big deal to people who are out here every once in a while, but it is to those of us who only hunt CO.

 

[KsRancher]

You can find the one offs if you look hard enough. The pie is shrinking and more people are wanting to eat it. Something has to give and it’s non-resident opportunities.

Then throw out the hunt codes like I mentioned. Just scroll thru the recap. There are a lot of tag available for residents and nonresidents. It may not be the tag that "you want". But instead of trying to take away more nonresident tags, use the tags that are available to you. I dont hear nonresidents talking about needing more. It seems they are happy to be able to get a tag and go hunt. I haven't heard one nonresident say that they need more tags. Residents not so much. Yes, the pie is shrinking. But it is for everyone. I would be a little more sympathetic if the residents were using up all of their quota and people not getting a tag. But that's not the case. They aren't getting a tag by choice. Just like I don't have a place to hunt deer in Ks. It's by choice. If I was willing to drop 5k, I could lease me a nice place. If residents of Colorado wanted to elk hunt, they can elk hunt.

 

[KsRancher]

It’s hard to understand from the outside. R have lost a ton as is. You are a rancher right? What if you had to draw for deer on your ranch every year? What if it got to the point where you can’t hunt your private land every year? Have a friend who had his land go from OTC, to draw to now he can’t even get a landowner voucher every year, maybe he can hunt 1 time in 3 years this is for deer and elk, this is happening all over the state. Be like saying cool you have a ranch but you can only hunt deer 5 hours from your house in a unit you don’t know, come on though it’s still opportunity right?

No, I don't agree with not being able to hunt your own ranch like you mentioned. I don't how the Colorado landowner vouchers work. But I agree, you would think that a landowner should be able to get a tag for their own land.

 

[KsRancher]

I have probably stirred the pot enough for a while. I hope my 16yr old son can snag him a tag in the secondary draw. I don't have a tag so I am not taking any of your tags. Good luck on your hunts this fall guys!