See its the opposite here in Missouri. I have the utmost confidence in our state management. As a matter of fact Missouri state is trying to reclaim the Ozark national river ways because the state feels it can do a better job than the feds are.
Cliven Bundy Situation
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See its the opposite here in Missouri. I have the utmost confidence in our state management. As a matter of fact Missouri state is trying to reclaim the Ozark national river ways because the state feels it can do a better job than the feds are.
This is a pretty strong statement glad you have that kind of confidence after seeing into his life for 15 minutes
Best summation and commentary here.
I too wear a badge. I also grew up in agriculture and when I retire I plan to go back to a more rural lifestyle than what I have now. In my opinion there are a multitude of unconstitutional federal agencies that shouldn't exist.
The Bundy family has held title to the land, by settlement and usage, since before Nevada was a state and have been grazing cattle since before the Department of the Interior was created. How would you like it if the government came in and decided that in order for you to keep your backyard, and use it, you had to pay a usage fee beyond the property taxes you already pay. How about if they decreed that you could only BBQ in your backyard on every other Saturday? That is in essence what they have done to the Bundy family.
We, the American people, are at a crossroads. Some of us want less government and for too long we have been apathetic voters. Some of us have decided enough is enough. I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution. I'll honor that oath.
Shrek
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And that makes what difference ? Always the resort of the tyrannical. Label those who resist socially unacceptable to isolate them. Randy Weaver was pretty much a white supremist , did that make it ok to murder his wife and son ? Racism was a good enough excuse to crush states rights the first time around so lets trot it out again to excuse federal overreach and unconstitutional conduct. At this point I'm of he opinion that the BLM was trying to provoke the Bundys into violence so they could murder them and make their states land rights arguments go away.
I agree.
Very good point
No I didn't miss it but as was brought out it doesn't matter if he is, being racist has no influence on the case.
gelton
WKR
Heres the quote, in full, that the New York Times clearly took out of context when the story broke yesterday:
"…” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.
We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.
Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.
When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.
And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?
You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.
Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.
Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.
And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party."
"…” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.
We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.
Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.
When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.
And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?
You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.
Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.
Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.
And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party."
Shrek
WKR
After reading the whole quotation I would agree with him. He is inarticulate and crude in his manner but the human truth he speaks of is at the base of our modern malaise. The be basement of the family and devaluation of the dignity of work by a reliance on the welfare state is at the base of the continuing cylce of poverty and criminality in poor community. When the incentive is to be sure not to make too much that you loose your home and income it becomes hopeless. If you have spent any time at all in an inner city then you will know there are three overwhelming feelings. Hopelessness , helplessness , and rage.
Wag the dog propaganda machine on both sides. The media is scarier than the government
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jm1607
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That was freakin awesome lol
Funny stuff
Warren1726
WKR
So to recap...because I don't have cable and haven't paid much attention. This Bundy dude is an old rancher in Nevada, who has been illegally grazing his cattle on federal lands without paying the required fees and he's been doing it for years despite multiple warnings over the years from authorities. So finally they try to confiscate his trespassing cattle, and he gets mad and takes up arms, with the help of a bunch of paranoid, pseudo militia, neo-nazi types.
He claims it's state land that shouldn't be governed by the federal government, so he can choose to ignore the law in this case because he is entitled to pick and choose what laws should be followed by him.
Tea party and GOP politicians, seeing a juicy, "us against big govt" opportunity jump all over it in defense of Bundy. Then given the sounding board he always wanted Ol' Clive, on national tv, spouts a bunch of ignorant, racist stuff and he just can't stop. So the politicians are jumping ship like a bunch of rats.
Is that about right?
He claims it's state land that shouldn't be governed by the federal government, so he can choose to ignore the law in this case because he is entitled to pick and choose what laws should be followed by him.
Tea party and GOP politicians, seeing a juicy, "us against big govt" opportunity jump all over it in defense of Bundy. Then given the sounding board he always wanted Ol' Clive, on national tv, spouts a bunch of ignorant, racist stuff and he just can't stop. So the politicians are jumping ship like a bunch of rats.
Is that about right?
Nope.
Warren1726
WKR
Oh, ok. Because, from the casual viewers perspective that's how it looks.
5MilesBack
"DADDY"
That's how the media and government wants it to look, and everybody is jumping in line to believe every bit of that.
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