Hey guys,
Are we ready to put this thread to bed?
Are we ready to put this thread to bed?
Cliven Bundy Situation
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ssliger
WKR
Yes, please!
Shrek
WKR
Is it too hard to just go to thread tools and un subscribe ? No one is forcing anyone to participate in or read any thread on Rokslide.
I concur.
It's the apathetic and uninformed voters, spoon fed by the media propaganda machine, that has helped to create the mess we are in as a nation and allowed the Constitution to be subverted for personal gain by the political class.
BRobertson
WKR
amen!!!!
I fully agree.
ffparamedic
WKR
No sir.
Well, I was thinking because it was a divisive political thread even among mostly like-minded Roksliders that generally want to find common ground and there are plenty of other places that are dedicated to barking at each other over these sorts of issues.
By all means, carry on.
What he said...
I don't know that I would say there is "barking" going on. I think its a pretty decent discussion. We don't have to always agree to be able to get along and function as a community. I find it fascinating actually that in a good portion of other aspects of life we tend to be like minded however in situations such as this there are starkly contrasting views. Right or wrong I'd be more apt to listen to one of you guys with a differing opinion than my own, than I would some hybrid driving yuppy, even if your opinion was the same as theirs. I welcome when someone disagrees with me on here as it gives me pause to think that under most other circumstances I would simply dismiss.
Sorry L2H,
I was referring to those other political sites where a lot of barking goes on, I didn't mean this thread had a bunch of barking going on.
The question is, do you really want to consider a reasoned and supported opposing viewpoint, and genuinely consider it?
Political beliefs are often deeply rooted, and those that disagree end up being painted with a broad brush, driving a divider between us.
If you look at this thread so far, you see one side calling the other "treasonous" people that should be shot on sight, and the other side calling Bundy supporters paraniod Neo-Nazis.
I guess it just strikes me as counter-productive.
I was referring to those other political sites where a lot of barking goes on, I didn't mean this thread had a bunch of barking going on.
The question is, do you really want to consider a reasoned and supported opposing viewpoint, and genuinely consider it?
Political beliefs are often deeply rooted, and those that disagree end up being painted with a broad brush, driving a divider between us.
If you look at this thread so far, you see one side calling the other "treasonous" people that should be shot on sight, and the other side calling Bundy supporters paraniod Neo-Nazis.
I guess it just strikes me as counter-productive.
LostInSpace278
FNG
This is a post to get people to think further than the media and Mr. Bundy's own hype. It is far to late to say who started this conflict. Both sides have had time to spin it their way.
I have read, who better to steward the land than the owners themselves. Very true statement.
Bundy's family has had and worked this land since 1850, but documents show it was purchased in 1940..It was stated, I believe, it was stolen or taken from them. At this point, it doesn't matter. Not intended to poke at who ever wrote the previous statement, but it did how ever get me thinking.
Consider this, do we know what was happening in 1850 when this land became available? Give it back to the rightful owners you say..Before 1850 the rightful owners were American Indians. No one was hating the government for taking land away from these people and giving it to settlers, homesteaders and sodbusters. How far back we go with this argument, is not for me to say, but before we speak about constitutional rights, then realize these rights were put in place before the land was taken off of the hands of the rightful owners.
We have given African-Americans monetary sums and apologies for slavery. Then we talk about what a dark time it was in american history and state that this should never happen again. We talk about all of sorts of things that should never happen again and these people and those people should be awarded XYZ. When American Indians start talking about the injustice that was perpetrated against them...you hear a lot of, you signed the treaty, shut up, get back on your land, and get over it.
We take what we want from the government and leave the rest or even speak out against it. No one really considers what they have done for you, your family, YOUR land. It is your land, if you have a piece of paper saying it is, right?
Think before your type, because MR.Bundy's family relied on the same government that he does not recognize now, to take the land from another and give it to them. It was this same government that tried to protect the settlers from American Indians taking back, what was considered their land. It was their, land because they lived on it, worked it, and hunted it, right?
Those who do not remember the past, are condemned to relive it!
I have read, who better to steward the land than the owners themselves. Very true statement.
Bundy's family has had and worked this land since 1850, but documents show it was purchased in 1940..It was stated, I believe, it was stolen or taken from them. At this point, it doesn't matter. Not intended to poke at who ever wrote the previous statement, but it did how ever get me thinking.
Consider this, do we know what was happening in 1850 when this land became available? Give it back to the rightful owners you say..Before 1850 the rightful owners were American Indians. No one was hating the government for taking land away from these people and giving it to settlers, homesteaders and sodbusters. How far back we go with this argument, is not for me to say, but before we speak about constitutional rights, then realize these rights were put in place before the land was taken off of the hands of the rightful owners.
We have given African-Americans monetary sums and apologies for slavery. Then we talk about what a dark time it was in american history and state that this should never happen again. We talk about all of sorts of things that should never happen again and these people and those people should be awarded XYZ. When American Indians start talking about the injustice that was perpetrated against them...you hear a lot of, you signed the treaty, shut up, get back on your land, and get over it.
We take what we want from the government and leave the rest or even speak out against it. No one really considers what they have done for you, your family, YOUR land. It is your land, if you have a piece of paper saying it is, right?
Think before your type, because MR.Bundy's family relied on the same government that he does not recognize now, to take the land from another and give it to them. It was this same government that tried to protect the settlers from American Indians taking back, what was considered their land. It was their, land because they lived on it, worked it, and hunted it, right?
Those who do not remember the past, are condemned to relive it!
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PA 5-0
WKR
LMFAO!!!! Love it. And thank you Bitterroot. As long as we keep the insults at least to a minimum, the Admins will allow us to debate topics as deep as this one. I, for one, have enjoyed considering all the perspectives presented in this thread. Especially for you younger folks, please don't depend on MSNBC to define your political views. Turn the TV off and read up on FACTUAL material, historical and present day, and develop your own opinions and beliefs. You'll soon realize the talking heads on TV are full of BS and only tell you what they want you to hear.
gelton
WKR
A non hunting thread is about to be the most viewed on rokslide. Quick, shut it down! 
I would like to give a shout out to AZ Vince and PA 50 - thank GOD there are still a few liberty lovers that carry the badge and honor their oath. The day guys like you are no longer in the police force is the day it's all over for the American way of life.
I would like to give a shout out to AZ Vince and PA 50 - thank GOD there are still a few liberty lovers that carry the badge and honor their oath. The day guys like you are no longer in the police force is the day it's all over for the American way of life.
A non hunting thread is about to be the most viewed on rokslide. Quick, shut it down!
That is not what I said.
So, is the implication then that if one wears a badge, but disagrees with Mr. Bundy, and may agree with the BLM on this matter, that they hate liberty, don't honor their oath, and are against the American way of life?
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gelton
WKR
I know that's not what you said but I didn't imply what you implied about my statement either. Simply disagreeing with Bundy does not make a person good or bad. As you know, its much deeper than that.
What I am implying is that if there weren't more people like AZ Vince and PA 5-0 in the police force AND if the protesters had not protected their first amendment with their second amendment that they could have ended up being crushed and pepper sprayed while handcuffed like the Occupy protesters who were no doubt victims of the police brutality that seems to be running rampant these days.
What I am implying is that if there weren't more people like AZ Vince and PA 5-0 in the police force AND if the protesters had not protected their first amendment with their second amendment that they could have ended up being crushed and pepper sprayed while handcuffed like the Occupy protesters who were no doubt victims of the police brutality that seems to be running rampant these days.
I see gelton. Thanks.
It does seem like a reasonable discussion could be had about the subject.
I suppose I could make a constitutionally based argument for the case against Bundy, if you guys were willing to consider it?
It does seem like a reasonable discussion could be had about the subject.
I suppose I could make a constitutionally based argument for the case against Bundy, if you guys were willing to consider it?
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