Cliff Grays Podcast with Aaron Davidson

[Murder Mittens]

Yes......the prototypical little man with Napolean syndrome. Like I said before, he relies on lazy, ignorant, lardasss lawyer types to believe his hype.

Why do you care so much? Why has this caused you so much emotional distress? I am genuinely curious…

 

[Castle Rock]

Yes......the prototypical little man with Napolean syndrome. Like I said before, he relies on lazy, ignorant, lardasss lawyer types to believe his hype.

Can you show us on the doll where Aron touched you?

 

[eric1115]

Can you show us on the doll where Aron touched you?

Right in the ego!

 

[JGRaider]

What's really "touching" is how much you boys care about what I think about AD and GW.

 

[Gstew1930]

Aaron pushes innovation. He has my respect

 

[ddowning]

If someone did this for all the scopes and simulated all the things Form does I would think it IS superior to Form's tests. It would be great to have that Night force guy in a booth at a shot show testing 35 different scopes with those tests and more. I admit that eliminating system variables is better scientifically.

In following Form's stuff, I have learned as much about bases, rings, torque, and rails as scopes. Also, seeing him "get to the bottom" of the Montana Rifle was also good medicine- there are a lot of things that can go wrong.

But when Form has a few systems that he has worked all of those things out of, his tests become more and more helpful. I think he has done a great job of doubting his findings if something else could be an issue. And his transparency seems pretty generous.

The benefit of true innovation or prophetic action (calling bull crap on something no one wants to talk about) is that people rush into the market. Form will not be the only game in town for long, but that will mean that he won. And we might get better scopes- which was the point all along. As someone that lives 40 minutes from Vortex central, and seen the generosity of the owners, I'd love to see it effect the whole industry. When iit hits the whole industry, there will not just be higher standards, but downward price pressures. And more options: like bomb proof with just ok glass and only 10moa of adjustment.

I ran Vortex in prs for several years and left after the zero retention caused me many big problems for years and years. Everyone at the company was AWESOME. That is, except the engineers that would deny that my problems were real design issues because very few were returned. Nevermind what it takes to see a .2 mil shift with what was common knowledge back 7 or 8 years ago. The engineers wanted to gloss over it and deny, deny, deny. That was it for me, but I felt guilty not supporting them after the way everyone else in the company handled the problems for years.

 

[Aaron Davidson]

This is the most frustrating aspect of OEM relationships. Im sure those mechanical and optical systems were designed by OEM, the engineers were powerless to affect change. When we find a way to improve our systems it is a real struggle to execute....

I refuse to let this be status quo.