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@Formidilosus how much faster do you think you could run a Blaser straight pull vs standard bolt action?
Definitely under 1sec splits.
@Formidilosus how much faster do you think you could run a Blaser straight pull vs standard bolt action?
Not particularly as I should not have engaged in the first place. This is a drill thread, not a thread for caliber versus magical beasts. There’s already a thread for that.
However-
Let’s see if I get them in order- More than some, some, no, yes, no, no.
Have you gotten to play with the beretta brx1Definitely under 1sec splits.
I’m up for a friendly wager, but I’ll be surprised if we have enough takers to get an average at this rate.@Formidilosus @ARK_Ginger , I suppose it’s too late to make this a friendly wager? I win if the average time between shots on this site is less than 2 seconds, you win if it’s more?
The best part is that even if I lose it would just mean I’m better at shooting than I thought
I’m talking total time. I understood form to say the average total time would be 3-4 seconds vs you saying 2 or under 2 seconds. Correct me if I’m wrong here.@ARK_Ginger wait, you were way under 2 seconds unless you’ve been talking about TOTAL time all along? Form and I were mainly debating about the time between first and second shot on the other thread
I don't want to even talk about my groups. More "accurate" if you can call it that with the AR15.
@TaperPin beat me. But, basically you shoot it like a handgun in CQD, focus on the front sight, if using a blade rear keep the front sight high. At 7 yards the rear sight is decoration.Amateur shot at your question. The red dot will be faster than irons, and a lesser recoiling cartridge will be faster than a heavier one.
Red dots are faster because there are less planes of sight (not sure if that's the correct verbiage). For example standard v notch sights have three planes you're lining up rear, front, and target. Your eyes can only really focus on one. For a red dot it's just the dot and target. With the red dot you can just superimpose the red blob on top of the target vs focusing on front sight while lining up rear and putting on target.
All that said, I'll take a 223 with irons over a 308 with a red dot, simply because the additional recoil takes you off target and costs you time.
To paraphrase Duane Dieter, 'Anything can work for you at any time, but we want what will work most of the time.' Put differently, 99 bears out of 100 might stop with a shot to the face that misses the cranial vault, but 1000 out of 1000 will stop with a shot that destroys the CNS.Also, what is your experience with aggressive animals that get shot in the face, even if the projectile doesn’t penetrate the brain- do they tend to continue or do they tend to pause/stop?
Oh then we’ve definitely been arguing past each other- I was only talking about the time it takes to work the bolt and get the second shot off.I’m talking total time. I understood form to say the average total time would be 3-4 seconds vs you saying 2 or under 2 seconds. Correct me if I’m wrong here.
Need to have Jerry Miculek try this and see what the standard for close range fast shooting is!
Oh then we’ve definitely been arguing past each other- I was only talking about the time it takes to work the bolt and get the second shot off.
Form was saying that the average total time would be 3-4 seconds, 1 second to get the first shot off, 2-3 seconds to work the bolt and get another round off. I was saying 3 seconds to work the bolt seemed really slow and “the average time between shots would be less than 2 seconds”, with skilled shooters being “around 1 second”.
I then said that the time between shots for me was around 1.5 seconds with my .243 and a bit slower with my swede. To which Form said the number of guys in America who could have a total time of less than 3 seconds- 1.5 seconds to get the first hit, 1.5 seconds to get the second hit- could fit in the average living room
The living room comment was an exaggeration, however- I stated “hits”. Hitting, working the bolt and hitting again in 1.5 seconds is not normal or common, especially with big bore rifles (375 H&H and larger). Yes, people that practice heavily can do so, but how many do that? Outside of shooting schools I have never met a hunter in NA that practices close range, fast shooting heavily with their “bear gun”. They all talk about it, but they don’t do it- same as large bore revolvers.
Notice how only 3 people have shot it- only two of those doing the full 20 rounds. The whole thing revolves around the belief of the American hunter being a “marksman”. Americans hunters don’t shoot, and by and large Americans shooters don’t shoot- the myth of the special person that doesn’t have a timer, doesn’t shoot, doesn’t purposefully practice, can’t spare 20 rounds for a drill- but somehow magically pulls great feats out … yeah no.
Finally ordered a shot timer...Notice how only 3 people have shot it- only two of those doing the full 20 rounds. The whole thing revolves around the belief of the American hunter being a “marksman”. Americans hunters don’t shoot, and by and large Americans shooters don’t shoot- the myth of the special person that doesn’t have a timer, doesn’t shoot, doesn’t purposefully practice, can’t spare 20 rounds for a drill- but somehow magically pulls great feats out … yeah no.