Certainly worth a gander.....but don't delete it just because you don't believe it.

[Sapcut]

I always find it interesting that folks in this setting- enjoying God’s beautiful creation and fascinating animals that provide us food, would deny that very Creator (I’m thinking Romans 1:19-20). The fact of the matter is, you don’t have to believe in Him. You also don’t have to believe in gravity to feel the effects of it. Everyone will stand before Him one day, whether we believe it or not. We choose an eternity separated from Him and His glory (along with all the other negative aspects of hell) or we choose to submit to Him and spend eternity in His presence. God doesn’t want us to go to hell (2 Pet 3:9), so He provided a way out- Jesus paid for all our sins on that cruel cross because He loves all of us, even those who scoff. He conquered death and will grant eternal life in heaven with Him to those who follow Him.

That’s it!!

 

[go_deep]

While you’re researching that see if you can figure out what the carnivores ate for the first few years after they disembarked from the ark.

Fish.

 

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I would say he took the punishment and the last sacrifice for your sins, my sins, our sins. We all sin. “No one is without sin, no not one”. Common sense.

And we know right from wrong. We didn’t create right and wrong but we know it. “They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.” Romans 2:15

I’m sure all this is common sense to you but it is written in Gods word and on our DNA. We have given an opportunity to deal with it how we choose.

 

[go_deep]

You have not directly answered the question. I’ll ask it again. Which immigrants would Jesus turn away? Since you (or any other Christian on this thread so far) haven’t answered I’ll take a shot.

Jesus would turn no immigrants away. He would be at the border giving succor.

He isn’t here to do that. A truly devout Christian would do it in his stead.

You are 100% correct, he would turn away no one, that's a fact.

Like many topics there's more than one thing going on with immigration. Personally knowing a large group that immigrated illegally from Nicaragua (after getting here they're going through the legal process) , most came here for work, a better life, just like our relatives before us, some did not though. Some simply came for free food, and shelter, and as stated earlier 2 Thessalonians 3:10 he who does not work, does not eat.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

Ok. It’s not fiction. Answer the question. What immigrants would Jesus turn away?

I am not sure why you are fixated on this question, first of all it is a straw man argument since you are asking a politically charged question in a thread about christianity, second you already know the answer (he would welcome all who want to come to Him), and third i do not believe He would be at the border since that is not a ripe stomping ground for transformation in life. Jesus was all about changing personal lives, He never turnwd anyone away that truly wanted to be transformed, but he did turn away people who only wanted the superficial changes or didnt want to change at all.

Make no mitake about history, Jesus lived in a time when there was great political turmoil, our time has no claim to being the most politically tumultuous time ever, yet we hear Jesus soeak very little to the political world, and only when directly asked by the rulers of his area during his trial. His message was about the eternal not aboyt the wordly.

So to really soeak about your question, we would have to ask ourselves what tue immigrants are coming for. Are they coming for a better earthly life? Or are they coming searching for eternal life? Because Jesus was interested in the latter and wanted nothing to do with the former. I am sure there were plenty of people in His time that struggled in their day to day survival and He had not much to say about them.

Does that answer your question?

 

[displacedtexan]

You have not directly answered the question. I’ll ask it again. Which immigrants would Jesus turn away? Since you (or any other Christian on this thread so far) haven’t answered I’ll take a shot.

Jesus would turn no immigrants away. He would be at the border giving succor.

He isn’t here to do that. A truly devout Christian would do it in his stead.

Remember when Jesus invented capitalism that time there was a large group of hungry people who only had a few loaves and fishes? So he sold them to the highest bidder and told the poor people to work harder?

I'm personally very devout in my beliefs, but I hate being lumped in with these Bible thumpers shrieking about hellfire and historical proof of Jesus...

 

[robtattoo]

I would say he took the punishment and the last sacrifice for your sins, my sins, our sins. We all sin. “No one is without sin, no not one”. Common sense.

This. This right here.
Illustrates my issue almost perfectly. You automatically change the fundamental nature of your understanding of the written scripture, to back up your opinion.

'He died for our sins'
'Yeah, but he didn't really though'
'That's not what it means! He suffered for our sins'

So..... he took a kicking for our sins?

 

[Wyobohunter]

I am not sure why you are fixated on this question, first of all it is a straw man argument since you are asking a politically charged question in a thread about christianity, second you already know the answer (he would welcome all who want to come to Him), and third i do not believe He would be at the border since that is not a ripe stomping ground for transformation in life. Jesus was all about changing personal lives, He never turnwd anyone away that truly wanted to be transformed, but he did turn away people who only wanted the superficial changes or didnt want to change at all.

Make no mitake about history, Jesus lived in a time when there was great political turmoil, our time has no claim to being the most politically tumultuous time ever, yet we hear Jesus soeak very little to the political world, and only when directly asked by the rulers of his area during his trial. His message was about the eternal not aboyt the wordly.

So to really soeak about your question, we would have to ask ourselves what tue immigrants are coming for. Are they coming for a better earthly life? Or are they coming searching for eternal life? Because Jesus was interested in the latter and wanted nothing to do with the former. I am sure there were plenty of people in His time that struggled in their day to day survival and He had not much to say about them.

Does that answer your question?

Who did Jesus turn away?

If Jesus had no interest in helping people in a physical way why did he do just that?

Are you saying that Jesus is a straw man? It’s a question, I’m not attacking Jesus or your beliefs through this question. I’m just curious about what set of beliefs people prioritize because many right wing beliefs fly directly in the face of Christian teachings. Christianity had a huge leftist following. It’s actually fairly recent that the right has bent it to meet their needs.

 

[roadrunner]

So… evolution?

Not in the way you think.

Big difference between fairy tales and potions to change from one thing to another and adaptation to an environment based on a pre-existing genetic code...

 

[roadrunner]

So, God could knock up a virgin but not freeze water?

Glad I'm not the one who said that...

 

[bsnedeker]

Where do you get your morality from then? Please don't borrow from the christian worldview.

Lots of atheist have taken morality into their own hands with the common good argument. At the cost of over a hundred million lives in the 20th century alone, Mao Zedong, Hitler, Stalin, ho chi Minh. Etc ....

Good thing no wars have ever been fought and no one has ever been murdered over religion!

 

[roadrunner]

Why?

What's the threshold for rapid continental drift? How do you know what speed is sufficient during a collision of things as big as continental plates to create a mountain range?

How tall would the Himalayas be had the converging plates been moving slowly?

How do you explain ongoing, measurable orogeny?

I have so many questions.

The concept is simple physics, the calculation is complex. A small land mass (India) could not push itself inward and upward to a larger mass (Asia) creating the Himalaya's without some velocity behind it.

The two highest peaks in the world oscillate back and forth as to which is the highest. This is because the plates are continuing to oscillate back and forth, much like pushing a buoyant object down in the liquid and it "bobs up and down" until equilibrium is achieved. This phenomena is not the product of something that happened hundreds of millions of years ago.

 

[roadrunner]

This is such a cop out. Wow.

Explain. I'm sure you have loads of data and evidence to state otherwise.

Cop out? Hardly. The cop out is to pretend everything happens given enough time. Zero thought required for that....

 

[Sapcut]

This. This right here.
Illustrates my issue almost perfectly. You automatically change the fundamental nature of your understanding of the written scripture, to back up your opinion.

'He died for our sins'
'Yeah, but he didn't really though'
'That's not what it means! He suffered for our sins'

So..... he took a kicking for our sins?

That is not my opinion. He died for our sins. He died as man just like we die just like the thief on the cross next to him died. But God as man was resurrected to show you he is God, the God you persecute and joke about. The fact that he is God does not negate the fact that he died for the punishment and sacrifice for our sins. Had he not arose, he would be just another man with a history in the middle yet another religion. But that is NOT the deal here.

So what is your issue?

 

[Texasbuckeye]

Who did Jesus turn away?

If Jesus had no interest in helping people in a physical way why did he do just that?

Are you saying that Jesus is a straw man? It’s a question, I’m not attacking Jesus or your beliefs through this question. I’m just curious about what set of beliefs people prioritize because many right wing beliefs fly directly in the face of Christian teachings. Christianity had a huge leftist following. It’s actually fairly recent that the right has bent it to meet their needs.

Jesus doesnt turn anyone away who is seaking eternity with Him. Who He did turn away were people who thought they were above reproach, people who thought they were righteous, and people who were not willing to give up all their worldly security to find security in His redeeming life. But even then, He didnt turn them away as much as His answer turned their pride away from Him.

Amongst the mockery it is difficult to determine genuine vs disingenuous so if you are actually seeking a better answer please PM me and i will get back to you. Unfortunately i am reporting for jury dury today so i can not guarantee a super quick answer, but i will answer.

Sorry for all the typos!

 

[Lowg08]

What did they eat on the ark?

That is easy. There was a 150 year warning. Based on the age of the Noah’s children. They had 55-75 years to build and prepare rations. It would have been a Normal diet of preserved or freshly farmed food. It would have also given time to prepare rations for the animals.

 

[displacedtexan]

And y

The concept is simple physics, the calculation is complex. A small land mass (India) could not push itself inward and upward to a larger mass (Asia) creating the Himalaya's without some velocity behind it.

The two highest peaks in the world oscillate back and forth as to which is the highest. This is because the plates are continuing to oscillate back and forth, much like pushing a buoyant object down in the liquid and it "bobs up and down" until equilibrium is achieved. This phenomena is not the product of something that happened hundreds of millions of years ago.

And you know it's not the product of something that happened millions of years ago how?

 

[roadrunner]

Then why is water still flowing there? because its from the same source that has been from for millions of years.

Sure about that? Show me the evidence that it has been there for millions of years. No changing climate, no changing weather patterns to have ever affected it. Never mind the mega eruptions of Yellowstone accounted for by your millennia scientists and the impact it would certainly have on that water source you pretend carved the canyon out. The current water source is from the watershed of mountain ranges.

Erosion occurs because of flow rate. My evidence is from the observation that the faster a fluid is in motion, the more scouring the effect it has. In materials engineering when applied to flow lines of metal pipe we refer to this as flow accelerated corrosion or FAC.

I cannot understand this for you. It's really not that complicated, but then again, for some it apparently is...

 

[displacedtexan]

Good thing no wars have ever been fought and no one has ever been murdered over religion!

Especially in the name of Christianity!

 

[robtattoo]

That is not my opinion. He died for our sins. He died as man just like we die just like the thief on the cross next to him died. But God as man was resurrected to show you he is God, the God you persecute and joke about. The fact that he is God does not negate the fact that he died for the punishment and sacrifice for our sins. Had he not arose, he would be just another man with a history in the middle yet another religion. But that is NOT the deal here.

So what is your issue?

"I would say he took the punishment and the last sacrifice for your sins, my sins, our sins"

How is it not your opinion, if you say, that this is what you say?

Is my issue.