Certainly worth a gander.....but don't delete it just because you don't believe it.

[displacedtexan]

"I would say he took the punishment and the last sacrifice for your sins, my sins, our sins"

How is it not your opinion, if you say, that this is what you say?

Is my issue.

Are you saying that I can have my beliefs, and be very sincere about them, without talking down to everyone else?

Interesting.

Wait. Isn't that how Jesus acted?

 

[Hpark3r]

You have not directly answered the question. I’ll ask it again. Which immigrants would Jesus turn away? Since you (or any other Christian on this thread so far) haven’t answered I’ll take a shot.

Jesus would turn no immigrants away. He would be at the border giving succor.

He isn’t here to do that. A truly devout Christian would do it in his stead.

I’ll give my take- anyone claiming to know for certain either way “which immigrants Jesus would turn away” is not being honest. What we can do however is apply what we know from His teaching. He tells us to obey man’s laws, as long as they don’t violate His (Romans 13; Matt 22:18-21). There are laws against illegal immigration, those doing so would likely be “turned away” by having to immigrate lawfully. Funny thing about it, God is OK with borders- He gave instruction on what the borders for the promised land were to be. Jesus didn’t have a problem calling out (effectively turning away) many who only came to try to take advantage (John 6)

 

[robtattoo]

Are you saying that I can have my beliefs, and be very sincere about them, without talking down to everyone else?

Interesting.

Wait. Isn't that how Jesus acted?

Absolutely you can! I wish more people would. Why we can't all respect each other, beliefs aside, I do not know.

My apologies, by the way, if I come across a defensive & confrontational. I'm mostly just entertaining myself

 

[displacedtexan]

Absolutely you can! I wish more people would. Why we can't all respect each other, beliefs aside, I do not know.

My apologies, by the way, if I come across a defensive & confrontational. I'm mostly just entertaining myself

Nah, I actually enjoyed the posts by people who (seemingly) have different beliefs than me more than those that claim to.

Are my closest friends similar to me in ways that are important to me? Absolutely.

Do I enjoy conversation and association with people who are different, even very different? Absolutely.

Do I think it's important to treat EVERYONE with the same respect and dignity? ABSOLUTELY!

The vast majority of people who run around thumping their Bible are so unlike Jesus that I'm ashamed to be associated with them in the minds of people who aren't like them.

 

[robtattoo]

Nah, I actually enjoyed the posts by people who (seemingly) have different beliefs than me more than those that claim to.

Are my closest friends similar to me in ways that are important to me? Absolutely.

Do I enjoy conversation and association with people who are different, even very different? Absolutely.

Do I think it's important to treat EVERYONE with the same respect and dignity? ABSOLUTELY!

The vast majority of people who run around thumping their Bible are so unlike Jesus that I'm ashamed to be associated with them in the minds of people who aren't like them.

If I hadn't quit drinking I'd hoist a glass to you!

 

[Crowmangler]

Annnnnd there the threats are right there. Believe what I do or burn in hell. Be scared!!!! Let me try to scare you into believing something!!!!

But other religions are the evil ones right?

I'm not threatening anyone sir & I'm not trying to thump anything, just trying to respectfully give my 2cents. There are people who will believe & those who won't. Most people don't.
I believe that the bible is God's inspired, inerrant & infallible word and I believe all of it. For those who just want the happy talk then turn on Joel Osteen.
Personally, I believe hell is a real place & it is clearly stated many times throughout the bible. It states that those who go there are separated from God forever & yes the description of it is terrifying. Does that play into someone's decision making? Probably so. I don't wanna go there & I don't want you to go either & I'll pray for you that you'll be saved too.
Jesus didn't come to the world to condemn mankind, He came to save us. He also made it crystal clear that the only way to get to heaven is through Him (John 14:6).
The best part is that is that ANYONE can be saved. It's a free gift & the greatest gift that anyone can receive.

 

[Sapcut]

"I would say he took the punishment and the last sacrifice for your sins, my sins, our sins"

How is it not your opinion, if you say, that this is what you say?

Is my issue.

I see. I was just simply saying it another way. Just using different words. Not my opinion nor changing what God said or did.

Either way, you still don’t have to believe it.

 

[dylanvb]

This post took off lol. I was going to post yesterday on page 1 and now I’m on page 13.

As a Christian I think it’s very arrogant that we humans think that we know how God created us or that we could even begin to understand what he has done. Yeah we have science and it shows facts but I believe the science makes sense because God created it that way.

I personally don’t believe we will ever find “facts” or “evidence” that God created the earth because that would take away free will from us. He created this world in such a way that it would not need interference on his part. People point to evolution and I say what if God created it? What if God did in fact create the whole universe in a way where it would not need any adjustments and it could run out on its own?

I feel like I have a way more simplistic view then most people and granted I don’t have any degrees in anything never even went to college but sometimes I feel like this conversation just turns into who can beat who up with “facts”.

 

[displacedtexan]

If I hadn't quit drinking I'd hoist a glass to you!

We can do it with coffee, tea, or the beverage of your choice.

Unless it's YooHoo, then I'll bring my own something. Lol

 

[roadrunner]

And y

And you know it's not the product of something that happened millions of years ago how?

Because a large mass is still moving in a highly viscous fluid.

 

[Hpark3r]

The vast majority of people who run around thumping their Bible are so unlike Jesus that I'm ashamed to be associated with them in the minds of people who aren't like them.

Dr. Adrian Rogers once said that if you can’t stand being around people in the church now, what makes you think you want to be around them in heaven for eternity?!
I do understand your sentiment and am jesting with you, but I do wonder how we reconcile putting our eternal life in Jesus’ hands without actually fully believing His Word? Please don’t let those who fail to speak the truth in love affect your relationship with Him or how you present Him to an unbelieving world.

 

[robtattoo]

We can do it with coffee, tea, or the beverage of your choice.

Unless it's YooHoo, then I'll bring my own something. Lol

Who the hell drinks that faux-chocolate ditch water?

 

[grfox92]

I can not fully get on board. Belief in Jesus is not a religion. Buddhism is a religion. Islam is a religion. Jesus is a relationship not standardized by denomination.

Nothing is good enough for this guy ......

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[thinhorn_AK]

Sure about that? Show me the evidence that it has been there for millions of years. No changing climate, no changing weather patterns to have ever affected it. Never mind the mega eruptions of Yellowstone accounted for by your millennia scientists and the impact it would certainly have on that water source you pretend carved the canyon out. The current water source is from the watershed of mountain ranges.

Erosion occurs because of flow rate. My evidence is from the observation that the faster a fluid is in motion, the more scouring the effect it has. In materials engineering when applied to flow lines of metal pipe we refer to this as flow accelerated corrosion or FAC.

I cannot understand this for you. It's really not that complicated, but then again, for some it apparently is...

Ok fine geologists are wrong, god just made it the way it is.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Explain. I'm sure you have loads of data and evidence to state otherwise.

Cop out? Hardly. The cop out is to pretend everything happens given enough time. Zero thought required for that....

Maybe you need to go back and re read the thread. Every time common evidence has been cited the good crew is like “nah…because god”. Where is your data? You guys just keep changing the goal posts every time facts are presented.

 

[displacedtexan]

Dr. Adrian Rogers once said that if you can’t stand being around people in the church now, what makes you think you want to be around them in heaven for eternity?!
I do understand your sentiment and am jesting with you, but I do wonder how we reconcile putting our eternal life in Jesus’ hands without actually fully believing His Word? Please don’t let those who fail to speak the truth in love affect your relationship with Him or how you present Him to an unbelieving world.

Where did I ever say that I didn't fully believe "His Word"? What makes you think you know anything about my "relationship with Him"?

I said that a lot of people who run around screaming about everyone who doesn't believe exactly like them will burn for eternity disgust me.

I don't remember Jesus, or anyone who followed him in the first century doing that.

The vast majority of those professing Christianity today are VERY different from the records we have of the first Christians.

 

[Hoodie]

adaptation to an environment based on a pre-existing genetic code...

This is quite literally the theory of evolution by natural selection.

Pre-existing genetic code exists. There's a copy error in that code (which is totally plausible unless you don't believe in things like recessive genetic disease). That copy error is a mutation that confers some sort of advantage. That advantage leads to that individual and all of it's offspring being just a little more successful reproductively. On a long enough timeline the copy error becomes ubiquitous.

That's my problem with people arguing against evolution. They either A) Don't understand the theory (like asking why if we evolved from apes, apes still exist); or B) actually do believe in the theory and just don't know it because they, again, don't know what the theory says.

No one who has ever argued with me about evolution has been able to explain it correctly. Or they have explained it correctly, acknowledged their belief in the underlying process, then claimed that that isn't evolution by natural selection.

 

[displacedtexan]

Dr. Adrian Rogers once said that if you can’t stand being around people in the church now, what makes you think you want to be around them in heaven for eternity?!

Wait. You're quoting a Southern Baptist minister to me?

Before I looked him up the statement meant basically nothing to me.

But knowing that he was President of a denomination that exists because they packed up their pulpits and started their own church so they could keep owning slaves makes it even more irrelevant to me.

 

[Hpark3r]

Where did I ever say that I didn't fully believe "His Word"? What makes you think you know anything about my "relationship with Him"?

I said that a lot of people who run around screaming about everyone who doesn't believe exactly like them will burn for eternity disgust me.

I don't remember Jesus, or anyone who followed him in the first century doing that.

The vast majority of those professing Christianity today are VERY different from the records we have of the first Christians.

I think you missed the part where I said I understand your thoughts on the issue.
It also seems you took my words of general encouragement as an insult. I apologize for not being more clear.
I will add that if we don’t get the gospel right (not all the secondary and tertiary doctrines), there is hell to pay, and people will unfortunately burn for eternity. That is what should drive us as believers to love others enough to give the lifesaving message to those who are perishing.

 

[Hoodie]

The concept is simple physics, the calculation is complex. A small land mass (India) could not push itself inward and upward to a larger mass (Asia) creating the Himalaya's without some velocity behind it.

The two highest peaks in the world oscillate back and forth as to which is the highest. This is because the plates are continuing to oscillate back and forth, much like pushing a buoyant object down in the liquid and it "bobs up and down" until equilibrium is achieved. This phenomena is not the product of something that happened hundreds of millions of years ago.

1) the Indian subcontinent is not "small".

2) The second highest peak in the world is K2. Please show me the papers documenting that K2 and Everest are "oscillating back and forth as to which is the highest." This would be a relatively easily measurable phenomenon. K2 would have to get 778 feet taller to equal Everest.

I promise you K2 and Everest are not in a tight race to see who's tallest.