Carbon Vs Steel

[TradLife406]

For 18-20” hunting barrels I really like the benchmark #4 contour.

Pbb lite hybrid, pva 680 and 750 taperless are other good options. Most traditional bartlein, krieger, etc sporter contours are too thick on the ass end imo for lightweight hunting rifles.

Yeah if those PVA barrels are good cut barrels then that seems like the way to go for a prefit.

What kind of large sample groups are you getting with them?


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[ALF]

Most traditional bartlein, krieger, etc sporter contours are too thick on the ass end imo for lightweight hunting rifles.

No big thing to have the smith take a skim cut off the shank while it's in the lathe. I also have them shorten the shank and blend the hard shank/taper beginning to more mimic a Remington.

 

[lager]

Look on Lilja's website for , in stock barrels. They show some in stock. They also do fluting. I run a suppressor on a 280 AI with muzzle diameter of .610 at 25 inches long, 1/2x 28 thread adapter to 5/8 24 with no issues. I wont buy any more carbons myself. I have had bad luck with them, getting dud's !! Your also stuck with getting stocks with the bigger barrel channel if you use carbon.

 

[TradLife406]

Look on Lilja's website for , in stock barrels. They show some in stock. They also do fluting. I run a suppressor on a 280 AI with muzzle diameter of .610 at 25 inches long, 1/2x 28 thread adapter to 5/8 24 with no issues. I wont buy any more carbons myself. I have had bad luck with them, getting dud's !! Your also stuck with getting stocks with the bigger barrel channel if you use carbon.

I don't know a lot, but in a lot of loading manuals they're using a Lajia as a test barrel. I might just snag that for my old model 70 and do a Six Creed. Then get a Patriot Valley prefit for my Bighorn action.

 

[wind gypsy]

Yeah if those PVA barrels are good cut barrels then that seems like the way to go for a prefit.

What kind of large sample groups are you getting with them?

PVA barrels (Osprey) are button rifled. I'm pretty sure Lilja is as well. I wouldn't get too caught up in button vs cut rifled.

The only PVA i have isn't on an action yet, it's predecessor (benchmark #4) still has life left.

 

[TradLife406]

PVA barrels (Osprey) are button rifled. I'm pretty sure Lilja is as well. I wouldn't get too caught up in button vs cut rifled.

The only PVA i have isn't on an action yet, it's predecessor (benchmark #4) still has life left.

Good to know!


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[Slick8]

I think it mostly comes down to a personal preference. I've had a couple and they're cool looking for sure. The proof Sendero was stupid accurate which is something I typically hear about it.

They do offer a larger shoulder diameter for brakes and cans vs steel of equal weight.

I don't buy the cooling thing, it's a gimmick IMO as is fluting when it comes to cooling on steel. IMO, the CF is an insulator and that heat has to go somewhere. You have a paper thin steel barrel with the chamber and muzzle being heat sinks.

I've heard CF is typically slower than steel but I can't confirm this.

I've been using a barrel for a year or so from APR that has some really deep flutes. He claims a Bart Sendero is just a little heavier than a CF Sendero in the same length. I like it so much I had him do another with a Muller which is about .025 bigger in diameter than the Bart Sendero.

This rig as shown is 10.1 lbs, 22 inch barrel and Ti brake, Def classic, Manner Pro hunter, bipod and a M5 5-25.

 

[Wprinkle]

My small sample size (2 hells canyon barrels) showed me that CF is a lot finickier when it comes to load dev and something about putting a suppressor on the end makes em even more finicky. Both shoot as good as steel barrels but other than looks there is zero advantage IMO.

 

[TradLife406]

I think it mostly comes down to a personal preference. I've had a couple and they're cool looking for sure. The proof Sendero was stupid accurate which is something I typically hear about it.

They do offer a larger shoulder diameter for brakes and cans vs steel of equal weight.

I don't buy the cooling thing, it's a gimmick IMO as is fluting when it comes to cooling on steel. IMO, the CF is an insulator and that heat has to go somewhere. You have a paper thin steel barrel with the chamber and muzzle being heat sinks.

I've heard CF is typically slower than steel but I can't confirm this.

I've been using a barrel for a year or so from APR that has some really deep flutes. He claims a Bart Sendero is just a little heavier than a CF Sendero in the same length. I like it so much I had him do another with a Muller which is about .025 bigger in diameter than the Bart Sendero.

This rig as shown is 10.1 lbs, 22 inch barrel and Ti brake, Def classic, Manner Pro hunter, bipod and a M5 5-25.

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What's APR stand ford?


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[Slick8]

Alamo Precision Rifles.

BTW, i agree with the above about load development. The proof sendero seems to have a reputation of great accuracy and tunability.

Any of the smaller diameter CF barrels will be much more difficult to tune with a narrow velocity node.

 

[5811]

I think a lot of the CFW barrel hype started before the current custom fluting craze.

Seems like costs are similar between CFW and custom fluting. And the alterra video showed no meaningful difference between the two, maybe it's just preference or experience.

Does alterra do their own fluting?

 

[Ryan Avery]

Steel, Steel and Steel...

 

[mj23polaris]

Steel


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[Lawnboi]

My small sample size (2 hells canyon barrels) showed me that CF is a lot finickier when it comes to load dev and something about putting a suppressor on the end makes em even more finicky. Both shoot as good as steel barrels but other than looks there is zero advantage IMO.

I wouldn’t take another HCA barrel even if it was free

 

[Slick8]

I think a lot of the CFW barrel hype started before the current custom fluting craze.

Seems like costs are similar between CFW and custom fluting. And the alterra video showed no meaningful difference between the two, maybe it's just preference or experience.

Does alterra do their own fluting?

Agreed, if you don't cerakote the CF barrel but flute and cerakote a steel barrel the steel barrel is just a little cheaper. All other work is equal.

 

[pnwhank]

Get the carbon.

What's a few extra dollars for looking dope af.

 

[Wprinkle]

I wouldn’t take another HCA barrel even if it was free

Not gonna lie Ive had hell with em

 

[IrkedCitizen]

FPM Gunworks out of Texas did an 18" preferred barrel blanks .750 taperless contour chambered 22arc with 5/8 threads weighing 3lbs 2.9oz and after his spiral honeycomb fluting it weighed 2lbs 11.2oz. 7.7oz or nearly a half pound removed.

Whether that weight savings is worth the price is another question $600. Looks cool AF. I'll see if i can get a picture of it after the cerakote

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Here is the spiral honeycomb after cerakoe

 

[5811]

Here is the spiral honeycomb after cerakoe
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That's wild. I'd love to see an ultra slo-mo of the barrel when you shoot it and all those little pockets are full of snow or water. Or mud.

 

[Megalodon]

The hex looks cool, but I'd be curious to see what the FPM "rod" iron pattern looks like lol

Custom Barrel Fluting

Keeping backpressure down while still maintaining suppression

fpmgunworks.com