Caliber Selection... Again

[sneaky]

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[sneaky]

About the only knock on the Creedmoor is loaded ammunition selection at this point. Need to find a chart with some heavier bullet weights listed.

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[robby denning]

Robby, just seems like it's easier to find 7mm build with extended mag lengths than it is on the 270 platform. Especially the basic 270 Win platform, not the WSM per se. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Won't argue with that


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[elkduds]

Sneaky, thanks for the data. Reminds me why I went w 270/140 gr for my latest rifle.

 

[GKPrice]

Muzzle breaks are awesome get that 300 wsm I have a tikka t3 lite in 300 wsm was a handfull before the break but not bad now.

was a "handful" even after putting a Limbsaver Aircell on it ?

 

[GKPrice]

So another question spurring off my original. If I did go with a mid range gun for now it would likely have an effective accuracy range of 500 at most with factory components. If nothing is ever shot past 400 will you even notice a difference between the 6.5 and 7-08? Seems like most everything I'm encountering on the 6.5 is that it really turns on at much longer distances, but at what point does it gain the upper hand?

Thanks everyone for the responses!


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exactly what I'm questioning ! even at 500 +/- there's no appreciable difference that I've seen or can "calculate" (it that's even relevant) - the shooter, the rifle, the knowledge and skill .... these matter infinitely more IMO

 

[GKPrice]

Hearing loss is a myth. If it was really going, wouldn't it stand to reason that the ringing in yer ears should get progressively quieter as well??
But it don't...

IF you're making a tongue in cheek joke then "yuk yuk", IF you're being serious try having tinnitus and then repeat the question ..... (ir I hear it I'll respond)

 

[sneaky]

Did someone say something? All I hear is ringing.....

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[16Bore]

Cartridge won't matter near as much as you want to think it will. Stuff is more similar than different. Bullets matter and the ability to shoot matters most.

 

[Axlrod]

You forgetting about the .284 195? That 277 doesn't come close to that, and very very few 270 rifles have the mag box length to shoot those 170s loaded long

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I'm not forgetting about anything - I shoot the 195's. You said there weren't longer bullets available in .277 which is clearly false

 

[Formidilosus]

Also, I will ask a dumb question about the 6.5 creedmore...what are your thoughts about the staying power of the round? As in 5 years from now do you see the bullet selection drying up (unless you reload), like so many other popular calibers over the years.

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Shooters and competitors shoot vastly more ammo per year than strictly hunters. The reason those "popular calibers" failed is because they were and are marketed to hunters first. The hunting community does not shoot that much. The Creedmoor was specifically designed for shooters and competitors first, and also hunters. It just so happens that what's good for field style rifle competitions (sniper matches) is also good for most big game hunting. It's hard to explain to hunters how much factory Creedmoor ammo is shot per year.

It will be here for as long as metallic cartridges are used.

So another question spurring off my original. If I did go with a mid range gun for now it would likely have an effective accuracy range of 500 at most with factory components. If nothing is ever shot past 400 will you even notice a difference between the 6.5 and 7-08? Seems like most everything I'm encountering on the 6.5 is that it really turns on at much longer distances, but at what point does it gain the upper hand?

Thanks everyone for the responses!


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Yes. A better to look at it is this-

take all the time, money, effort, research, and range trips that you would spend on reloading and working a load up for whatever cartridge you want... and instead go to any decent gun shop and buy $25 box ammo that is national match winning accurate in 6.5 Creed and then spend all the extra time that you have on your wife, kids, scouting, whatever. Everything that people do with reloading the Creedmoor is designed to address with factory ammo.


The Creedmoor was designed to-

1) Have factory guns and inexpensive factory ammo that is consistently accurate enough to win national matches.

2) Offer 260rem performance in a case that is designed correctly to fit long, high BC billets in standard shaft action mag boxes.

3) Throats and mag boxes fit correctly the COAL.

4) Offer ridiculously good ammo for both competition and hunting for around $20-$25 a box.

5) Offer extremely good external ballistic and terminal ballistic performance in a low recoiling round.

 

[Carlin59]

That's sound logic right there

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Great pun.

 

[jack88]

The bullet is the only thing that touches the animal.

If you cant kill it with a 130gr to 160gr bullet fired between 2500-3100 fps, I don't think it matters what was on the head stamp.

 

[sneaky]

I'm not forgetting about anything - I shoot the 195's. You said there weren't longer bullets available in .277 which is clearly false

I misspoke obviously, but thank God you're here to correct me. Carry on


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[16Bore]

Shooters and competitors shoot vastly more ammo per year than strictly hunters. The reason those "popular calibers" failed is because they were and are marketed to hunters first. The hunting community does not shoot that much. The Creedmoor was specifically designed for shooters and competitors first, and also hunters. It just so happens that what's good for field style rifle competitions (sniper matches) is also good for most big game hunting. It's hard to explain to hunters how much factory Creedmoor ammo is shot per year.

It will be here for as long as metallic cartridges are used.












Yes. A better to look at it is this-

take all the time, money, effort, research, and range trips that you would spend on reloading and working a load up for whatever cartridge you want... and instead go to any decent gun shop and buy $25 box ammo that is national match winning accurate in 6.5 Creed and then spend all the extra time that you have on your wife, kids, scouting, whatever. Everything that people do with reloading the Creedmoor is designed to address with factory ammo.


The Creedmoor was designed to-

1) Have factory guns and inexpensive factory ammo that is consistently accurate enough to win national matches.

2) Offer 260rem performance in a case that is designed correctly to fit long, high BC billets in standard shaft action mag boxes.

3) Throats and mag boxes fit correctly the COAL.

4) Offer ridiculously good ammo for both competition and hunting for around $20-$25 a box.

5) Offer extremely good external ballistic and terminal ballistic performance in a low recoiling round.

I thought that's what a 308 was supposed to do??

 

[JWP58]

There is a Remington Seven in 7-08rem for 450.00 with free shipping on gunbroker (not my sale, just been watching it). Would be a great platform.

Just saying.....

 

[bhylton]

OP. Went through this with my wife 7-08 vs 270. we went 270. lots of good factory ammo in light low recoiling and heavy hard hitting options. basically saw the 270 as able to match the 7-08 ballistics with the option to turn up the horsepower if needed.

ex: she is shooting 150gr nosler partitions @2850 ish (factory federal or handloads) which has the energy advantage over the 7mm out to 4-500yds generally.

fwiw, murdochs in missoula had a really good selection of factory ammo last time i was there.

 

[bhylton]

As Robby said earlier, however, its all splitting hairs.

 

[16Bore]

I love "wife guns". Same animals as the husband hunts, same terrain, but in a non-cool average "Jane" platform.


A lotta lessons to be learned there...

 

[KurtR]

I thought that's what a 308 was supposed to do??

it did for along time but times change