BLM Grazing Lease Holders, Harassment, Misrepresentation

[Wrench]

In Montana we have a pretty good hunter harassment law, not sure what state you're having the run ins; if not Montana check and see if that state has a similar law.

Having video would definitely be a plus.

Obviously you'd want to call the game warden for a hunter harassment case, not sure what a deputy could do.

Same deal here in Washington. Been there and the warden gave me his cell and was eager to bust the perp because of repeated complaints.

 

[Idaho_Potato]

Doesn’t anyone stand up to bullies anymore?

Get up in their face.
They aren’t used to that.

I would caution against this…I work in the cattle industry and the type of men that live their life horseback at remote cattle camps are not the type you want to tangle with. They are stronger than you, and just about all of them are armed. Some of these people don’t live by the rules. In my part of the world we hear about human bones found way out in the sagebrush by hunters or hikers every few years. Not worth it.

 

[Glendon Mullins]

I would caution against this…I work in the cattle industry and the type of men that live their life horseback at remote cattle camps are not the type you want to tangle with. They are stronger than you, and just about all of them are armed. Some of these people don’t live by the rules. In my part of the world we hear about human bones found way out in the sagebrush by hunters or hikers every few years. Not worth it.

You work on the yellowstone? Rip is that you?

 

[Hnthrdr]

Go with the video idea, but also start firing off emails, paper trails are fantastic proof and hard to refute, if you go to Law enforcement and say you have been in contact with so and so for this long and keep getting stonewalled

 

[Hnthrdr]

I would caution against this…I work in the cattle industry and the type of men that live their life horseback at remote cattle camps are not the type you want to tangle with. They are stronger than you, and just about all of them are armed. Some of these people don’t live by the rules. In my part of the world we hear about human bones found way out in the sagebrush by hunters or hikers every few years. Not worth it.

Eh… in laws are all ranchers, they are tough but I wouldn’t say all cowboys are “super bad mothers” and yes no matter how remote laws still definitely apply and they know it. Also we don’t know maybe the OP is like a super jacked bowmar bro who was a former navy seal… I do know a lot of bullies only respect when someone stands up to them. But I’m sure there are also some other spots to hunt can’t be the only acreage that holds game in your unit

 

[hunterjmj]

That would suck to have a run in. I drive through a ranch, public road, and have to open a bunch of gates on my way. It's a pain but it's also a pain for him I'm sure. I've gotten to know him over the years and drop an 18 pack of Coors Light when I'm traveling through. Maybe that'll show him a little grace when others don't close gates or whatever. Im sure if he was an arshole he could make access more of a pain.

 

[Weldor]

Been both sides of the fence, Worked with Game and Fish to keep access open for hunters, and worked to keep access closed. The problem down here was slob hunters and just the general public shooting up water tanks, tearing up roads after heavy rains etc, the list goes on . I don't agree with harassing anyone, that's not my place. That being said I don't agree with people thinking every piece of ground is theirs either. Leasing is a weird duck, but trying to get BLM to do anything is pain staking.

 

[OKHunter84]

I would caution against this…I work in the cattle industry and the type of men that live their life horseback at remote cattle camps are not the type you want to tangle with. They are stronger than you, and just about all of them are armed. Some of these people don’t live by the rules. In my part of the world we hear about human bones found way out in the sagebrush by hunters or hikers every few years. Not worth it.

Most my family and a lot of my friends are cowboys. Yes cowboys, ranchers and farmers are tough, they work a lot and everything. I wouldn't say they're all badasses though. Very few have time to workout and usually drink too much.

I do agree that getting in folks faces is the wrong approach though. I usually just try to be polite and show I'm in the right and that's all you have to do. Go out there trying to get all rowdy with everyone is a good way to get shot.

 

[TSAMP]

I feel like I shouldn't have to say this but, there are ways to stand up to someone without inviting physical conflict.

Some of these stories ive read, all I think is it had to involve attitude on both sides. Sure you run into the occasional hot head, but if you are respectful and maintain your composure( even when they dont) often times people can be talked off that ledge.

I had someone tell me I didn't know what I was doing with my dog at a training area the other day. They then approached me about a bunch of retriever terminology and clearly were rude but through the non sense I could see they may also be trying to help. After they were done and I said I was just out letting my dog cool off and not doing any "drills" he was like well he'll whyd you let me talk your ear off for 10 minutes if your just here to let ur dog swim.

we parted ways, no fists flown.

 

[ChrisS]

SSS

 

[mtwarden]

Read the hunt harassment law of the state you hunt has one.

Keep this in mind if there is a run in, being overly aggressive or acting like a dick won’t help your case. The landowner or designee being a dick will help.

lo- “This is my land” you- “do I need to leave?” if he says yes, you’ve met the burden- in Montana anyways.

 

[Lawnboi]

Read the hunt harassment law of the state you hunt has one.

Keep this in mind if there is a run in, being overly aggressive or acting like a dick won’t help your case. The landowner or designee being a dick will help.

lo- “This is my land” you- “do I need to leave?” if he says yes, you’ve met the burden- in Montana anyways.

I’m going to file this one away. Great advice.

 

[Laelkhunter]

Read the hunt harassment law of the state you hunt has one.

Keep this in mind if there is a run in, being overly aggressive or acting like a dick won’t help your case. The landowner or designee being a dick will help.

lo- “This is my land” you- “do I need to leave?” if he says yes, you’ve met the burden- in Montana anyways.

mtwarden, regarding the hunter harassment laws, if someone comes into your camp while you are not actively hunting (lunch break or whatever), are they in violation of the hunter harassment laws? Or is it only if you are actively hunting, say on a deer stand or out in a blind and they approach and start acting like a fool?

 

[cubguy]

I would caution against this…I work in the cattle industry and the type of men that live their life horseback at remote cattle camps are not the type you want to tangle with. They are stronger than you, and just about all of them are armed. Some of these people don’t live by the rules. In my part of the world we hear about human bones found way out in the sagebrush by hunters or hikers every few years. Not worth it.

 

[Marbles]

I feel like I shouldn't have to say this but, there are ways to stand up to someone without inviting physical conflict.

Some of these stories ive read, all I think is it had to involve attitude on both sides. Sure you run into the occasional hot head, but if you are respectful and maintain your composure( even when they dont) often times people can be talked off that ledge.

I had someone tell me I didn't know what I was doing with my dog at a training area the other day. They then approached me about a bunch of retriever terminology and clearly were rude but through the non sense I could see they may also be trying to help. After they were done and I said I was just out letting my dog cool off and not doing any "drills" he was like well he'll whyd you let me talk your ear off for 10 minutes if your just here to let ur dog swim.

we parted ways, no fists flown.

I have to agree. Most people who think standing up to a bully involves acting like the bully are themselves bullies in my experience. Despite what a portion of our society thinks, politeness is not weakness.

 

[cuerro viejo]

You work on the yellowstone? Rip is that you?

When you are wanted or a felon..linecamp ain't a bad place to be. Especially if paid cash

 

[Hnthrdr]

I have to agree. Most people who think standing up to a bully involves acting like the bully are themselves bullies in my experience. Despite what a portion of our society thinks, politeness is not weakness.

Should clarify standing up does not mean, yelling shouting or fighting it means standing tall, speaking slowly, calmly and politely and not getting heated or getting in a yelling match. They often want you to lose your cool. They are used to being super agro and getting a reaction or just having people up and leave.

 

[YellCoAR]

On a hunt in Wyoming my buddy killed a mule deer buck. They had a road block check station set up. The warden ask where the buck was killed. I showed him on the map. He got defensive and asked how we accessed the area. I then showed him our saved travel path of 2.5 miles. This was all public land. He just assumed we trespassed from the road about a 1/4 mile away. I don't think he trusted me. I explained there is only one way to get a plotted route on ONX . This did not set well with me. I then asked why he was not concerned about the landowner who was blocking a public road at a cattle guard. The guard had two tires on each side painted no trespassing with orange ribbon tape across the road. I told him the road number and he acted like he did not even hear me.
Remember when dealing with landowners as an out of state hunter. They are locals and you are not. They will get the benefit of the doubt. They vote there you do not.

 

[cubguy]

When you are wanted or a felon..linecamp ain't a bad place to be. Especially if paid cash

I’m dying over here

 

[Idaho_Potato]

You work on the yellowstone? Rip is that you?

No.

Some of you don’t have much life experience outside of a phone screen and it shows.