BHA Supporting Legislation Outlawing the Sale of Information on Big Game Locations

[Shrek]

I’m glad some here understand what BHA really is ! I didn’t do a bunch of research myself. I just looked at their website and read their sales pitch and recognized the Sierra Club wording and layout in about 30 seconds. It helps that I still get Sierra Club mailings in my mailbox from when my POS commie father lived with me for a couple of months. Kicked his arse to the curb 11 years ago and still the Sierra Club garbage fills my mailbox.

 

[ODB]

They shamelessly exploit the the human need to belong to something and make a pseudo noble cause put of it. Who didn't want to be part of the "in" crowd..?

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Yes. The idea of being part of something “bigger than themselves” is very attractive.

When you pay attention to this type of thing you see it everywhere: Hope and Change, Make America Great Again, Save the Whales, World Peace...the list is endless...

 

[Okhotnik]

I don’t have to thumb through a sales pitch. I spent better than 6 years pouring a ton of effort into that group. I know them inside and out, and I was dead damned wrong to have stuck with them as long as I did.

Hewlett, Wyss, and Wilburforce foundations andbtheir created funnels of Western Conservation, Fund for a Better Future, and others provide nearly 60% of BHA operational funding. Those foundations back Sierra Club, Defenders, Wilderness Society, Klamath-Siskiyou, IFAW, and a huge number of other anti groups. They fund no hunting groups. They fund the initiatives to shut down bear hunting, predator management, trapping, habitat management, etc. Foundations do not fund conflicting groups. They fund BHA, and the majority of BHA operating budgets. Think about it. That’s also why BHA chapters are listed as clients of serial litigant anti-hunting, trapping, management groups like Western Environmental Law Center.

BHA conserves no acres. They purchase or open no areas to hunting. They put no animals back on the landscape. Look at their own annual reports; all they claim to do is promote themselves and grow. Why? Because that’s what those foundations pay them to do: be a distraction from the objectives of the co-funded anti- groups, and divide hunters. Everything else is a sales pitch and snake oil. The money doesn’t lie.

I think trial123 just put you in ignore

It’s a sign of ignorance and immaturity if you refuse to listen toothers’ opinions that differ from you.

A few years ago while I was in BHA the mule deer foundation was planting bitter brush in areas burned out by fires. They were looking for volunteers and I contacted my state BHA and asked if they could help out in the habitat restoration and they said no. Our mule deer herds are way down in numbers.Big eye opener there.

Great info thanks for sharing

 

[ODB]

I think trial123 just put you in ignore

It’s a sign of ignorance if you refuse to others’ opinions that differ from you.

Great info thanks for sharing

Yes. If you cannot defend your position against any attack, you need to re-examine your position. And occasionally re-examining one’s positions is how the learned make sure those positions remain valid.

 

[BuzzH]

They purchase or open no areas to hunting. They put no animals back on the landscape. Look at their own annual reports; all they claim to do is promote themselves and grow. Why? Because that’s what those foundations pay them to do: be a distraction from the objectives of the co-funded anti- groups, and divide hunters. Everything else is a sales pitch and snake oil. The money doesn’t lie.

Right...

Wyoming Chapter Donates $1,500 to Access Yes

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

As long as the Chapter has existed, we've contributed what we can afford to AccessYes, no less than $500 each year we've had a Chapter.

Wyoming BHA Donates to AccessYes!

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

This year will be our biggest donation, $3000.

BHA doesn't care about access? Right again:

Why Wyoming’s Public Lands are Locked Up - HCN Article

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

Don't care about getting youth involved either:

Wyoming BHA Sponsors 1st Annual Youth Antelope Hunt

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

More access retained for hunters, fishermen, hikers, etc:

Your Voice Was Heard - Thank You

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

Now, watch as this is ignored, the "yeah, but's", and excuses roll in...

 

[BuzzH]

Mule deer GPS collaring project in SE Wyoming, several BHA members showed up to lend a hand:

 

[SDC]

BuzzH;

Show me where I’ve said chapters? I have not. I have been and continue to speak very clearly about the org as and at the national level.

There is a reason that you, and everyone else who wants to defend BHA changes the topic from the national org that receives the majority of its funding from exactly the sources I cite - and for exactly those purposes - to a discussion of chapter efforts or individuals. Why? Because the facts are absolutely undeniable that BHA as an organization at the organizational/national level exists only to self-promote, to serve as a distraction, and is funded primarily by foundations who are anti-hunting, anti-management, and who drive those agendas.

If you want to talk about individual chapters, that’s a separate issue. Bringing those up will bring up the chapters that have had leaders who also served on the Klamath-Siskiyou board when that org was pushing a public lands trapping ban, as well as others who have been less than friendly to hunters overall.

But, I’m not and have not been talking about chapters or individuals. I’m talking about the organization at the org/national level.

 

[BuzzH]

See this sign?

Yeah, illegally posted by a landowner on a county road that would have blocked access to several thousand acres of BLM and State Land.

Two BHA board members made some phone calls and that sign was down within hours of it being discovered.

You're welcome...

Oh, and a few days later, the results of that sign coming down:

This pronghorn came from the same area, on a leftover tag, a couple years before the sign went up:

 

[BuzzH]

BuzzH;

Show me where I’ve said chapters? I have not. I have been and continue to speak very clearly about the org as and at the national level.

There is a reason that you, and everyone else who wants to defend BHA changes the topic from the national org that receives the majority of its funding from exactly the sources I cite - and for exactly those purposes - to a discussion of chapter efforts or individuals. Why? Because the facts are absolutely undeniable that BHA as an organization at the organizational/national level exists only to self-promote, to serve as a distraction, and is funded primarily by foundations who are anti-hunting, anti-management, and who drive those agendas.

If you want to talk about individual chapters, that’s a separate issue. Bringing those up will bring up the chapters that have had leaders who also served on the Klamath-Siskiyou board when that org was pushing a public lands trapping ban, as well as others who have been less than friendly to hunters overall.

But, I’m not and have not been talking about chapters or individuals. I’m talking about the organization at the org/national level.

Like I said, immediate case of the "yeah buts"...as per usual.

Also, please explain how all these foundations that are donating money to BHA would continue to support them, when the Chapters are promoting hunting, funding hunting access, etc.?

If non-hunting orgs were trying to stop hunting and fishing, one wouldn't think they would be too happy to see their money going to things that promote the very thing they're trying to stop.

Your "logic" doesn't reconcile...at all.

 

[SDC]

Yep, and as usual, you and the others have to twist the conversation off what drives the national org. That’s not a “yeah, but”; it’s remaining on topic.

I know you; had dinner and beers with you. I know you bust your ass and try to do good work. The same can be said for lots of individuals. None of that changes where the operating funds for BHA come from, or why they come in. That’s simply fact.

 

[Okhotnik]

Mule deer GPS collaring project in SE Wyoming, several BHA members showed up to lend a hand:

Is WY BHA working on getting access for non resident hunters to wilderness areas?

 

[SDC]

Compare the factually inaccurate verbiage from the anti- groups that share BHA funding on H.R. 4089 to the BHA position statement.

H.R. 4089 Provides Fundraising Bonanza for Extremist Groups - Sportsmen's Alliance

Anti-hunting and Environmental Lobby Distort the Sportsmen’s Heritage Act to Raise Money Following in the footsteps of the nation’s most powerful

www.sportsmensalliance.org

H.R. 4089: BHA's Position

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

Almost like those position statements were coordinated, huh? Now, why would that happen among the orgs at the national level that share the same funding sources opposed to hunting and management?

 

[BuzzH]

Yep, and as usual, you and the others have to twist the conversation off what drives the national org. That’s not a “yeah, but”; it’s remaining on topic.

I know you; had dinner and beers with you. I know you bust your ass and try to do good work. The same can be said for lots of individuals. None of that changes where the operating funds for BHA come from, or why they come in. That’s simply fact.

Apparently you don't know me that well...

 

[ODB]

Right...

Wyoming Chapter Donates $1,500 to Access Yes

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

As long as the Chapter has existed, we've contributed what we can afford to AccessYes, no less than $500 each year we've had a Chapter.

Wyoming BHA Donates to AccessYes!

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

This year will be our biggest donation, $3000.

BHA doesn't care about access? Right again:

Why Wyoming’s Public Lands are Locked Up - HCN Article

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

Don't care about getting youth involved either:

Wyoming BHA Sponsors 1st Annual Youth Antelope Hunt

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

More access retained for hunters, fishermen, hikers, etc:

Your Voice Was Heard - Thank You

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

Now, watch as this is ignored, the "yeah, but's", and excuses roll in...

Not ignoring, just asking - what financial support did the national BHA .org give to your chapter, or where these funds/efforts 100% provided by local members?

 

[BuzzH]

Is WY BHA working on getting access for non resident hunters to wilderness areas?

Yes, and stream access as well.

 

[Trial153]

Yes. If you cannot defend your position against any attack, you need to re-examine your position. And occasionally re-examining one’s positions is how the learned make sure those positions remain valid.

More along the lines of arguing with an idiot only proves that there are two idiots.
The same handful of people on here grind the same axe over and about BHA, regardless of the issue being discussed. And its been proven time and again that no amount civil discord, or examples of commonality will change their narrative or even allow them to simply agree to disagree.
I choose not to be the second idiot in the equation.

 

[BuzzH]

Not ignoring, just asking - what financial support did the national BHA .org give to your chapter, or where these funds/efforts 100% provided by local members?

National gives back a percentage of the membership fees, life membership fees, annually. We also conduct various fund raising events where almost all the money raised stays with the Chapter. So, the answer is both.

Many of the projects we work on are funded 50-50 between national and the Chapter.

 

[SDC]

Apparently you don't know me that well...

Well enough to know that I have not and am not critiquing the work you do. You aren’t the org. The org is a c3 HQ’d in Missoula, and driven (no matter what the sales pitch says) by a handful of very large, very anti-hunting foundations who provide the majority of the operating funding and who likewise fund the litany of anti-hunting, anti-trapping, anti-management orgs.

That’s been the topic, and remains the topic, no matter how much you want to shift it to individuals and how badly you need that to happen since the critique of the organization is irrefutable.

 

[SDC]

National gives back a percentage of the membership fees, life membership fees, annually. We also conduct various fund raising events where almost all the money raised stays with the Chapter. So, the answer is both.

Many of the projects we work on are funded 50-50 between national and the Chapter.

Great. Now, compare that to the $1.4M spent last year by the org on travel and advertising. Compare it to the grant funding that came in via Hewlett, Wyss, and Wilburforce and the like, and their funnels, that drive nearly 60% of the organizational operating revenue. Compare that to the foundation funding sources tied to the provided lists of anti-hunting, anti-trapping, anti-management groups.

The org, as it is, is exactly what I’ve stated and why. Individuals are not the org.

 

[Okhotnik]

Can you provide a link to lawsuits filed by BHA to gain access for non residents?

Thanks

Yes, and stream access as well.

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