BHA Supporting Legislation Outlawing the Sale of Information on Big Game Locations

[robby denning]

The problem I see with selling way points is an high concentration of hunters in a given area, say you have 300 tags and there are 150 of them bought the same way point. (this area will be ruined for future hunts) I hunt an area that is also used by an outfitter and just cant imagine him or anyone else selling way points for that area. All the pressure it will put on mature deer as more and more people use such a service will led to a decline in quality of that herd.

That is a very valid concern, but I can only offer how my business is done. 15 to 20 scouting packages a year spread from Idaho to Montana (and in some years Wyoming or Nevada, but’s it’s been a few years on those). We rarely do a package in the same unit twice on the same year. And we never overlap hunters.

So I’m not dismissing what you’re saying, I’m just saying that it’s not as concentrated as your example. Maybe it is for other scouts. I don’t know how they do their business exactly


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[Idaho_Potato]

License fees based on income?

I agreed with the majority of your post but punishing people who work harder , studied more is just wrong.

Half the people in the US pay little or no fed income tax. You want more handouts?

Fair enough. I didn't come at it as a handout or a punishment. I think we could do better than the current prices though. Hunting doesn't have to be the next race to the bottom.

 

[Okhotnik]

That is a very valid concern, but I can only offer how my business is done. 15 to 20 scouting packages a year spread from Idaho to Montana (and in some years Wyoming or Nevada, but’s it’s been a few years on those). We rarely do a package in the same unit twice on the same year. And we never overlap hunters.

So I’m not dismissing what you’re saying, I’m just saying that it’s not as concentrated as your example. Maybe it is for other scouts. I don’t know how they do their business exactly


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That sounds very reasonable

If you support hunting and fishing guides and outfitters using public resources to make a profit how could you be against this service?

 

[chasewild]

Cute reference, but please point out where I said they should not be allowed to have a silly get together?

You didn't. My response was to your "groupthink" quip. The guys that drafted the document I cited in the previous post (some call them founding fathers) thought it awfully important to have "silly get together" for one, if not the singular reason, to develop and, believe it or not, criticize ideas. But if I've misinterpreted your post, I'll keep my "cute" legal citations to myself.

 

[vanish]

Disclaimer: BHA General Member.

I do not think the practice necessarily needs to be banned, but it needs to be regulated. The matter is simple: you want to profit off a public resource, you must be permitted to do so. The simplest way to handle this is to require a guide license, but there could be other alternatives.

There are people who do it "right", like Robby, but the practice simply has too much room to be abused.

 

[16Bore]

Rinella has become a cult figure to some. Heaven forbid you criticize him.

He’s just a guy who hunts and cooks his game. My buddies and I have been doing this same activity over 40 years in many states and overseas , just like a lot of other members on here. When it comes to hunting I’d take members’ advice over Rinella any day. I’ve started cooking game using French and Italian based recipes in the early 80’s ( mom taught me) and process my own game and been doing this considerably longer than him. I see hunters fawning over his gourmet cooking as it some great new thing.

He’s provides entertainment- that’s all

Hes great at marketing himself though give him that. I prefer Randy over Rinella

He’s not some all knowing guru.

He used to provide entertainment, now its an infomercial...

What’s this processing and cooking game meat thing you speak of?

 

[Idaho_Potato]

You didn't. My response was to your "groupthink" quip. The guys that drafted the document I cited in the previous post (some call them founding fathers) thought it awfully important to have "silly get together" for one, if not the singular reason, to develop and, believe it or not, criticize ideas. But if I've misinterpreted your post, I'll keep my "cute" legal citations to myself.

You're really reaching here dude.

 

[realunlucky]

You didn't. My response was to your "groupthink" quip. The guys that drafted the document I cited in the previous post (some call them founding fathers) thought it awfully important to have "silly get together" for one, if not the singular reason, to develop and, believe it or not, criticize ideas. But if I've misinterpreted your post, I'll keep my "cute" legal citations to myself.

It's totally ridiculous to compare the founding fathers to anything related with BHA.

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[Shrek]

Disclaimer: BHA General Member.

I do not think the practice necessarily needs to be banned, but it needs to be regulated. The matter is simple: you want to profit off a public resource, you must be permitted to do so. The simplest way to handle this is to require a guide license, but there could be other alternatives.

There are people who do it "right", like Robby, but the practice simply has too much room to be abused.

The information sellers are not selling a public resource. They’re selling the fruits of their labor and have taken no public resources. The state controls the tag allocations so there is no degradation of the herd quality. This is a huge nothing burger being used to divide hunters. Ask the BHA how this fight over nothing helps public land access ? It doesn’t and hunter access isn’t the real purpose of the BHA. Where is the BHA in Wyoming ? Have they gotten a bill introduced to allow non residents to hunt wilderness areas without guide ?

 

[Okhotnik]

It's totally ridiculous to compare the founding fathers to anything related with BHA.

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Don’t criticize their cult. They’ll get upset

 

[Okhotnik]

The information sellers are not selling a public resource. They’re selling the fruits of their labor and have taken no public resources. The state controls the tag allocations so there is no degradation of the herd quality. This is a huge nothing burger being used to divide hunters. Ask the BHA how this fight over nothing helps public land access ? It doesn’t and hunter access isn’t the real purpose of the BHA. Where is the BHA in Wyoming ? Have they gotten a bill introduced to allow non residents to hunt wilderness areas without guide ?

See my above post for an answer

BHA is the Sierra club renamed
They have nothing to do with hunting

Much better pro hunting, pro Conservation groups.

 

[ODB]

It's totally ridiculous to compare the founding fathers to anything related with BHA.

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Hear hear...

 

[vanish]

The information sellers are not selling a public resource. They’re selling the fruits of their labor and have taken no public resources. The state controls the tag allocations so there is no degradation of the herd quality. This is a huge nothing burger being used to divide hunters. Ask the BHA how this fight over nothing helps public land access ? It doesn’t and hunter access isn’t the real purpose of the BHA. Where is the BHA in Wyoming ? Have they gotten a bill introduced to allow non residents to hunt wilderness areas without guide ?

You need a permit to sell video taken on most public lands. There's no resources "taken" from the public there, but the reason is the same. You're financially benefitting off the impact on the public land resources.

`Where is the BHA in Wyoming?` - You choose to ignore it when answered. Look up any number of BuzzH's posts.

`Have they gotten a bill introduced to allow non residents to hunt wilderness areas without guide ?` - Once again, that's been acknowledged many times. Its not a fight BHA can win right now.

Neither of the last two points have anything to do with this discussion. This is "Whataboutism" at its finest. You know your argument is weak, so you try to distract people.

 

[Shrek]

You need a permit to sell video taken on most public lands. There's no resources "taken" from the public there, but the reason is the same. You're financially benefitting off the impact on the public land resources.

`Where is the BHA in Wyoming?` - You choose to ignore it when answered. Look up any number of BuzzH's posts.

`Have they gotten a bill introduced to allow non residents to hunt wilderness areas without guide ?` - Once again, that's been acknowledged many times. Its not a fight BHA can win right now.

Neither of the last two points have anything to do with this discussion. This is "Whataboutism" at its finest. You know your argument is weak, so you try to distract people.

Whataboutisms at their finest for sure ! Pot meet kettle ! BHA can’t win a fight that is important to their mission so they invent a fight where there was no division. I think the the regulation of commercial picture taking is overboard but possibly has grounds in preventing a large movie production form putting a huge crew with equipment into a forest. I’m not a nanny state supporter so regulation is my last resort not my first impulse.

 

[chasewild]

It's totally ridiculous to compare the founding fathers to anything related with BHA.

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Holy shit. BHA isn't drafting a constitution or any similar document. THey're doing what the founding fathers thought was important enough to put in that document. So no, I'm not comparing the founding fathers to Land or any BHA member.

I have no idea where the strikethrough font came from.

 

[16Bore]

BHA = Buncha Hot Air

 

[Okhotnik]

I’m still wondering why BHA has people who are employed or have close ties to anti hunting groups, sitting on their board of directors???

I quit BHA a few years ago. Theo meetings seemed more a fashion event where members showed in the latest Sitka kuiu and first lite attire and flat brim hats and sipped and discussed the merits of various IPA s

Better to join RMEF or mule deer foundation or any other number of pro hunting pro conservation groups

 

[Okhotnik]

BHA = Buncha Hot Air

 

[Shrek]

BHA = Buncha Hot Air

Actually not a bunch of hot air. Pure poison being injected into the hunting community. It really is the Sierra Club in drag.

 

[Comerade]

Backcountry Hunters and Anglers is not another Sierra Club.
Pick up there quarterly magazine, talk with them. I don't know this particular issue, the Guide/ Outfitting business is run much differently in British Columbia. BHA is not the anti hunter either. If you want information call them, talk with members. There might be rogue members out there( it is a free land so far) but this group is trying to maintain public/ Crown landbase so we can hunt.
Technology needs a huge pushback whenever possible, folks.
If I experience anything resembling an anti hunter theme...exit stage right,I am outta there.