BHA Supporting Legislation Outlawing the Sale of Information on Big Game Locations

[Okhotnik]

Backcountry Hunters and Anglers is not another Sierra Club.
Pick up there quarterly magazine, talk with them. I don't know this particular issue, the Guide/ Outfitting business is run much differently in British Columbia. BHA is not the anti hunter either. If you want information call them, talk with members. There might be rogue members out there( it is a free land so far) but this group is trying to maintain public/ Crown landbase so we can hunt.
Technology needs a huge pushback whenever possible, folks.
If I experience anything resembling an anti hunter theme...exit stage right,I am outta there.

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Is BHA working hard or filing lawsuits to stop the introduction of wolves into Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona?

 

[BeaverHunter]

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Is BHA working hard or filing lawsuits to stop the introduction of wolves into Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona?

Not according to anything I can find on their website.

 

[Comerade]

Just get a copy of the Backcountry Journal...it might give a person a better idea about BHA.

 

[Okhotnik]

Just get a copy of the Backcountry Journal...it might give a person a better idea about BHA.

I was a member for a few years
Have read many BHA news letters


The chapter I belonged to put an anti hunting activist on the BHA board

They refused to answer as to why they did this

No thanks

 

[Comerade]

Which chapter was this? I would like to know more. If the anti reviewed any of our agenda they would leave with the tale tucked. Perhaps it was infiltration.I once joined a very green environmental group to assess it from the inside, they knew my position. I got info firsthand, and left it later on.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I just think all the postulating and hyperbole online is a faulty way of doing it and leads to misinformation

 

[Trial153]

Backcountry Hunters and Anglers is not another Sierra Club.
Pick up there quarterly magazine, talk with them. I don't know this particular issue, the Guide/ Outfitting business is run much differently in British Columbia. BHA is not the anti hunter either. If you want information call them, talk with members. There might be rogue members out there( it is a free land so far) but this group is trying to maintain public/ Crown landbase so we can hunt.
Technology needs a huge pushback whenever possible, folks.
If I experience anything resembling an anti hunter theme...exit stage right,I am outta there.

Your new here. Your also wasting your time trying reason with people who have an axe to grind. No amount of rational discord or conversation will either change their mind or silence their rhetoric. And quite frankly even if you did there are some people not worth associating with, no matter if they agree with you or not.
For example the "serria club in drag" line is used by a person that Recommended gut shooting a mountain lion so it can run off and die and not mess up his hunt up. That should tell you who your conversing with.
The best feature on this sight is the ignore button. Put them on it and your experiences here will be more pleasant.

 

[ODB]

Your new here. Your also wasting your time trying reason with people who have an axe to grind. No amount of rational discord or conversation will either change their mind or silence their rhetoric. And quite frankly even if you did their are some people not worth associating with, no matter if they agree with you or not.
For example the "serria club in drag" line is used by a person that Recommened gut shotting mounatin lions so they run off and die and mess his hunt up. That should tell you who your conversioning with.
The best feature on this sight is the ignore button. Put them on it and your experiences here will be more pleasant.

No offense, but simply silencing people with whom you disagree is akin to sticking your head in the sand. Someone can be wrong on one topic and right on another. I thought we were the “nuance” crowd? This is what is happening on Twitter; simply silencing others for the sake of comfort. Your last sentence echos this sentiment.

 

[Trial153]

No offense, but simply silencing people with whom you disagree is akin to sticking your head in the sand. Someone can be wrong on one topic and right on another. I thought we were the “nuance” crowd? This is what is happening on Twitter; simply silencing others for the sake of comfort. Your last sentence echos this sentiment.

Pick you battles. There are a segment of participants involved any topic or conversation you will never reach any kind of consensus, even if it's to agree to disagree. The halmark of productively is spending time where your efforts pay the most dividends.
These individuals aren't that place.

 

[ODB]

Pick you battles. There are a segment of participants involved any topic or conversation you will never reach any kind of consensus, even if it's to agree to disagree. The halmark of productively is spending time where your efforts pay the most dividends.
These individuals aren't that place.

You see, we will never agree/reach consensus on this point. Does that mean you’ll put me on ignore? Sometimes you find dividends in unlikely places.

But hey, ignore away...it’s a free forum...

 

[Comerade]

I am not offended in any way and don't need to ignore anyone.
It is a good discussion, I am just expressing my experiences and it did take me along time and scrutiny prior to joining BHA. I am naturally suspicious about any group as single purpose as this one is. I also have belonged to B&C and should renew.
I have real difficulty with SCI and others though, I also worked in the Guiding business.
I have always hunted public land, I see it under extreme pressure from various industries. Might as well push back against some of these where prudent.
By the way I am a card carrying Conservative. Cheers

 

[SDC]

Comerade, et al.,

I can assure you I know BHA very well. I laid out my background with them earlier in this thread. And, I detailed their funding. They are funded primarily by the same foundations that fund Sierra Club and a long list of the anti-hunting, anti-management groups that are trying to ban hunting of all sorts.

BHA’s role is to distract and divide hunters. The more successful they are at that, the more successful their allies and funded-related groups like Sierra Club, Defenders, CBD, and the like are in their endeavors.

BHA has a slick sales pitch, but that’s it. They exist to do nothing more than self-promote and keep hunters from being engaged with real, legitimate conservation groups.

Follow the funding. No matter the sales pitch, the money never lies.

 

[Comerade]

I will certainly look into this info. All other misinformation and innuendo had proved false including the Y to Y conspirators.
Like I said earlier, put down your phone or computer and speak with H.O or simply thumb through there magazine. Online investigations are dubious,imo. Ouf chapter is manned by the most serious hunters in this region.
Hunters that would not risk losing hunting to the anti movement

 

[Comerade]

There= their...oops

 

[SDC]

I don’t have to thumb through a sales pitch. I spent better than 6 years pouring a ton of effort into that group. I know them inside and out, and I was dead damned wrong to have stuck with them as long as I did.

Hewlett, Wyss, and Wilburforce foundations andbtheir created funnels of Western Conservation, Fund for a Better Future, and others provide nearly 60% of BHA operational funding. Those foundations back Sierra Club, Defenders, Wilderness Society, Klamath-Siskiyou, IFAW, and a huge number of other anti groups. They fund no hunting groups. They fund the initiatives to shut down bear hunting, predator management, trapping, habitat management, etc. Foundations do not fund conflicting groups. They fund BHA, and the majority of BHA operating budgets. Think about it. That’s also why BHA chapters are listed as clients of serial litigant anti-hunting, trapping, management groups like Western Environmental Law Center.

BHA conserves no acres. They purchase or open no areas to hunting. They put no animals back on the landscape. Look at their own annual reports; all they claim to do is promote themselves and grow. Why? Because that’s what those foundations pay them to do: be a distraction from the objectives of the co-funded anti- groups, and divide hunters. Everything else is a sales pitch and snake oil. The money doesn’t lie.

 

[Idaho_Potato]

I don’t have to thumb through a sales pitch. I spent better than 6 years pouring a ton of effort into that group. I know them inside and out, and I was dead damned wrong to have stuck with them as long as I did.

Hewlett, Wyss, and Wilburforce foundations andbtheir created funnels of Western Conservation, Fund for a Better Future, and others provide nearly 60% of BHA operational funding. Those foundations back Sierra Club, Defenders, Wilderness Society, Klamath-Siskiyou, IFAW, and a huge number of other anti groups. They fund no hunting groups. They fund the initiatives to shut down bear hunting, predator management, trapping, habitat management, etc. Foundations do not fund conflicting groups. They fund BHA, and the majority of BHA operating budgets. Think about it. That’s also why BHA chapters are listed as clients of serial litigant anti-hunting, trapping, management groups like Western Environmental Law Center.

BHA conserves no acres. They purchase or open no areas to hunting. They put no animals back on the landscape. Look at their own annual reports; all they claim to do is promote themselves and grow. Why? Because that’s what those foundations pay them to do: be a distraction from the objectives of the co-funded anti- groups, and divide hunters. Everything else is a sales pitch and snake oil. The money doesn’t lie.

I'm going on a fishing expedition to follow the money here. I don't have any knowledge of who or what these guys are. First go I only found redacted donors. More later...

 

[Comerade]

One thing for sure it is complicated and surrounded by conspiracy theories.
Many anti's have hunting licences in our province and are interfering from the inside. We must be up to the task of identifying these things.
One thing for sure though there is huge money on all sides, some of the issues align .
For example Nature's Conservancy- they procure private land and keep this open to hunters. Mysterious and well funded and this often keeps vital wintering areas from becoming populated by humans.
It is complicated and not a game for the apathetic. It is often not black and white either.Cheers

 

[SDC]

Right. BHA has retroactively redacted EVERY financial statement to hide funders. Hell, they show nearly 60% of operational funding coming from foundations on their last annual report, yet fail to list any foundation on that report. Go look at their older reports; they list names on them (for as long as they remain public anyway).

Hewlett has a searchable database of their grantees. Take a look at who they fund. https://hewlett.org/

Wyss lists some of their grantees; take a look - https://www.wyssfoundation.org/grants

Wilburforce posts their grantees; take a look - http://www.wilburforce.org/grants/grants-database/. When you do on that one, you’ll see BHA being funded under the same Y2Y program that funded the shut down of grizzly hunting in BC and is funding the groups opposing grizzly, wolf, and predator management, and pushing trapping bans. The Y2Y (Yellowstone to Yukon) concept is a creation of “The Wildlands Project” and “rewilding” that traces all the way back to EarthFirst!. Doubt me? Look it up.

Then look at what Western Conservation and Fund for a Better Future are. They, and others, are simply funnels created by and for the big foundations (Hewlett, Wyss, Wilburforce, Tides, etc.) to channel money to their anti-hunting, trapping, management groups under different names to give the illusion of a broader array of funding.

That’s all public info, if you dig for it (and you have to), and that’s where the driving force of BHA funding comes from. That money comes with strings; it’s connected to groups diametrically opposed to hunting, trapping, and management; and, it is not given in opposition to the other groups similarly funded because that’s not how foundation funding works.

 

[ODB]

The structure of BHA is classic Eric Hoffer social mass-movement. You create an existential threat (loss of public access) , cleverly pitch it to a frustrated public (hunters who want to hunt on that land), ask for support ($$$), keep the rhetoric flowing, and watch the money roll in. You see, the “problem” can never be solved, but that serves the movement, the second the problem is solved, the movement ( and the support $$$), dies.

Examples of this type of movement are rife throughout history, left and right. They are predictable, identifiable, and knowable.

I don’t like social mass movements...

 

[SDC]

The structure of BHA is classic Eric Hoffer social mass-movement. You create an existential threat (loss of public access) , cleverly pitch it to a frustrated public (hunters who want to hunt on that land), ask for support ($$$), keep the rhetoric flowing, and watch the money roll in. You see, the “problem” can never be solved, but that serves the movement, the second the problem is solved, the movement ( and the support $$$), dies.

Examples of this type of movement are rife throughout history, left and right. They are predictable, identifiable, and knowable.

BINGO! Now, add that to what I’ve been saying.

 

[bigbaddad71]

The structure of BHA is classic Eric Hoffer social mass-movement. You create an existential threat (loss of public access) , cleverly pitch it to a frustrated public (hunters who want to hunt on that land), ask for support ($$$), keep the rhetoric flowing, and watch the money roll in. You see, the “problem” can never be solved, but that serves the movement, the second the problem is solved, the movement ( and the support $$$), dies.

Examples of this type of movement are rife throughout history, left and right. They are predictable, identifiable, and knowable.

I don’t like social mass movements...

They shamelessly exploit the the human need to belong to something and make a pseudo noble cause put of it. Who didn't want to be part of the "in" crowd..?

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