ban on video taping hunts on public ground

[SDHNTR]

I dislike banning things. But I dislike ******* profiteering a public resource even more.

 

[Mykolaivka887]

If there is already a permit required for video recording on public lands, then what’s the difference between, say, Meateater filming a hunt with a crew vs. Joe blow with a phone? If they’re both monetized then I don’t really see a difference. Heck, throw Instagram influencers in there with the lot as well.

Precisely right, and this is what the Interior Department and the Department of Agriculture want to get a handle on - the blatant and flagrant violations of federal law.

 

[SDHNTR]

Public lands don’t need any more exposure, for hunting, fishing, hiking, biking or anything else! It’s all full! I hiked a stretch of the PCT this last weekend and was absolutely shocked at the amount of traffic. I can remember when encountering a thru hiker was a rare thing, and when you did, you could tell they had legit chops. The vast majority of the people I saw were overweight millennial and gen Z aged women. Some had no idea what they were getting into and were only setting themselves up for danger. One couple of ladies were from France. I asked how they found out about the PCT, You Tube was their immediate response, in unison. I asked a couple of other gals from Iowa how they worked out all the logistic for a 2500 mile hike. Again, You Tube. There were excessive amounts of trash. Human waste around the campsites, ruts and widening of the trail. And now there’s talk of a permit process, ugghhh! Making things easy has consequences! I’m not saying we need to ban You Tube, but it’s seriously ruining everything we love. Especially the how to/where to vids. It’s reach is too broad.

 

[jcojocaru]

Never invite more govt into your life.


Pretty @#$%&×! Simple.

Thank God finally a comment along these lines and plenty likes to go with it. FFS give them an inch and they take a whole damn mile.

 

[Rifleman86]

There is this pesky thing called for 1st Amendment. Like it or not, filming is covered.

I don’t like commercializing hunting/wildlife any more than the next guy, but the bill of rights takes priority.

 

[gabenzeke]

We need a ban on bans.

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[diamond10x]

Ban Non-resident hunters…
Ban hound hunters…
Ban spring bear season…
Ban anyone with a camera…

All you commies are gonna be whining one day when you’re the one that’s being banned.

 

[isItFallYet]

Shouldn’t be a set fee, should be a percentage. However I’m against the government collecting anymore money from us, because I feel like we’re already being raped, they just mismanage what we give in taxes.

 

[sivart]

With some states you do need a permit to film on public lands. Gritty bowman got popped for it a couple years ago. I'm for getting rid of it. If you think about it, you can't start a lemonade stand on public land. Why should you be able to film for profit on it?

 

[*zap*]

If they would ban videoing all hunting it would be an improvement.

 

[ddd-shooter]

Y’all do realize we “let them ban” market hunting already, right? You can’t sell wild game meat.
Like a hundred years ago.

Did they “take a mile” after they did that? Was that not a slippery slope?
We have banned lots of things in the outdoors.
I swear, it’s like any motion to amend how an ALREADY EXISTING agency runs is immediately met with “no more govt” regardless of the merit of the motion.


I’d wager most on here hate hunting pressure in their areas. I’d say some of that pressure had to be laid at the promotion of hunting for content.

 

[Darryle]

Well, I have no dog in this hunt, but some videos uploaded do not do hunters justice and paint hunters as a zealous lot with very little or no skills whatsoever.

I just excluded 95+% of all the posted videos because we know that the 5% are the ones that draw all the attention and scrutiny.

 

[LuvsFixedBlades]

So, the OP's objection to filming hunts was that they create unwanted exposure to certain hunting spots. Valid point. Although, I would bet that this forum (and others like it) have blown up considerably more hunting spots than filmed hunts ever have, like by a mile. I personally have given people intel on public hunting spots on Rokslide who've drawn limited tags and seem like good folks. I must be the only one ; ) Just food for thought.

I'm not sure what charging an exorbitant fee would solve either...if publicizing certain hunting spots is your actual rub? That fee wouldn't go to you, the government would get it. And, your spot would still be blown up, no?

Pretty much any legal/approved activity conducted on public land is allowed to be filmed for commercial use via a permit/fee. Generally, unless it damages the environment or is egregiously disruptive. Commercial video capture on public ground is broadly allowed and it transcends every industry. From sporting events and outdoor recreation, to filming truck commercials, movies and TV shows. You can't just single out and ban hunting because you don't like it, public land belongs to everyone, that's what makes it public. Like it or not, it's part of the game.

 

[Stalker69]

We can't film our hunts, but China can fly a ballon over the whole United States and take video of any thing and every thing they want.

 

[jcojocaru]

We can't film our hunts, but China can fly a ballon over the whole United States and take video of any thing and every thing they want.

Don't even know why they would need to do that... Our politicians have sold out to them a long time ago

 

[Pacific_Fork]

I’d support this ban. Seeing drones in NF/BLM lands makes my blood boil. Tech dorks and “hey look at me” narcissistic hunters who need likes are ruining hunting and the great outdoors for everyone. To argue against this is like saying marketing doesn’t do what’s intended. Yet we will all hear about diminishing opportunity from the same folks who create and/or watch hunting promotion.

Of course this isn’t just hunters; surfers, rock climbers, hikers, etc all make how to and where to videos for the masses. They’re all cancer IMO.

 

[Idaboy]

most people posting on youtube are not making a dime off of their posts. i guess you could argue youtube might be making something off of it.

Agree.. The OP reference is also vague..it's not banning youtube and not banning video film....it's if for commercial benefit... Photography has always been allowed

 

[Dos Perros]

Not sure if it's been covered, but regarding enforcement, both Randy Newberg and Brian Call have received enforcement over this.

 

[Justin Crossley]

So, the OP's objection to filming hunts was that they create unwanted exposure to certain hunting spots. Valid point. Although, I would bet that this forum (and others like it) have blown up considerably more hunting spots than filmed hunts ever have, like by a mile. I personally have given people intel on public hunting spots on Rokslide who've drawn limited tags and seem like good folks. I must be the only one ; ) Just food for thought.

I'm not sure what charging an exorbitant fee would solve either...if publicizing certain hunting spots is your actual rub? That fee wouldn't go to you, the government would get it. And, your spot would still be blown up, no?

Pretty much any legal/approved activity conducted on public land is allowed to be filmed for commercial use via a permit/fee. Generally, unless it damages the environment or is egregiously disruptive. Commercial video capture on public ground is broadly allowed and it transcends every industry. From sporting events and outdoor recreation, to filming truck commercials, movies and TV shows. You can't just single out and ban hunting because you don't like it, public land belongs to everyone, that's what makes it public. Like it or not, it's part of the game.

Great post.

 

[Ten Bears]

So, the OP's objection to filming hunts was that they create unwanted exposure to certain hunting spots. Valid point. Although, I would bet that this forum (and others like it) have blown up considerably more hunting spots than filmed hunts ever have, like by a mile. I personally have given people intel on public hunting spots on Rokslide who've drawn limited tags and seem like good folks. I must be the only one ; ) Just food for thought.

I'm not sure what charging an exorbitant fee would solve either...if publicizing certain hunting spots is your actual rub? That fee wouldn't go to you, the government would get it. And, your spot would still be blown up, no?

Pretty much any legal/approved activity conducted on public land is allowed to be filmed for commercial use via a permit/fee. Generally, unless it damages the environment or is egregiously disruptive. Commercial video capture on public ground is broadly allowed and it transcends every industry. From sporting events and outdoor recreation, to filming truck commercials, movies and TV shows. You can't just single out and ban hunting because you don't like it, public land belongs to everyone, that's what makes it public. Like it or not, it's part of the game.

I have personally watched a unit I hunt regularly draw odds get crushed by a hunting video and podcast that detailed the hunt. This isn’t a statement on how I feel about recording on public, still undecided about that. But the power of youtube/socials has so much more reach than handing out some advice privately on here…

I think the compromise that should exist going forward is for content makers use some smarts and try to keep their locations discreet, getting rid of the hand holding videos on draw strategies, etc.

And on here if you want to help someone use some discretion on who you are helping and how you are helping them. If it’s a person who creates a profile to ask about a spot/unit report them, mods should ban them. If it’s a contributor to this site and they have some questions shoot them a PM and offer some help.