Arrow Penetration....

[Billy Goat]

Interesting. I don’t see those results with Exodus, TOTA XL, Kudu, or Grim Reaper 3-blades out to 60 yards out of my set-up, test it all the time just to see if I could blame a bad shot on that, but one thing I’ve read about or seen somewhere was torque tuning. Never looked into it or tried to actually torque tune my bow, but maybe I just got lucky that my current setup is accidentally optimally torque tuned, idk. If I remember right, had something to do with how far your sight is from your bow or something. But my set-up is pretty standard I would think.

I torque tune my bows when possible.

The Exodus is a really forgiving head, with swept blades. Full blades it's picky.

Tooth of the arrow was one of the worst flying heads I ever messed with, don't know why, they spun fine, and weren't a big cut, but damn if I didn't have issues with getting consistent flight. And that was playing with a shooting machine, not me shooting.

Kudo, no experience with.

The Grim reapers if they are like a G5 striker or Wack'em, they are a pretty forgiving head design.



Keep in mind too, I'm generally shooting a minimum of 285 fps, usually around the upper 290's if not faster. I have tuned a fair number of fixed blades at 315-318 fps, but things get dicey, it's like shooting a bareshaft.


If down in the 260's, stuff isn't too picky, and that's a good reason to shoot in those speeds too. I just end up hitting stuff that I'm not use to being in the way. I also tend to shoot a faster setup a little more accurately.

 

[MuleyBuck]

I torque tune my bows when possible.

The Exodus is a really forgiving head, with swept blades. Full blades it's picky.

Tooth of the arrow was one of the worst flying heads I ever messed with, don't know why, they spun fine, and weren't a big cut, but damn if I didn't have issues with getting consistent flight. And that was playing with a shooting machine, not me shooting.

Kudo, no experience with.

The Grim reapers if they are like a G5 striker or Wack'em, they are a pretty forgiving head design.



Keep in mind too, I'm generally shooting a minimum of 285 fps, usually around the upper 290's if not faster. I have tuned a fair number of fixed blades at 315-318 fps, but things get dicey, it's like shooting a bareshaft.


If down in the 260's, stuff isn't too picky, and that's a good reason to shoot in those speeds too. I just end up hitting stuff that I'm not use to being in the way. I also tend to shoot a faster setup a little more accurately.

Interesting to hear your experience. Sounds like you’ve done a lot of testing as well.

I have the benefit of a long draw, and chrono’d my current 513gr set-up at 289fps, just for reference on what I’m shooting when saying these things.

I’ve hunted with as fast as 303 and as slow as 268, and only as high as 16%foc and as low as 9%, and personally try to design an arrow weight set up now that is 275-290fps and 12%-16% FoC based on anecdotal experience on animals and at the range performance wise.

TOTA 1” has been one of the best flying heads I’ve shot. I like the square hole too.

 

[Billy Goat]

TOTA 1” has been one of the best flying heads I’ve shot. I like the square hole too.

I seem to be an outlier from what I hear of others experiences with them. I don't know if I perhaps got a bad batch somehow, but there was nothing outward that would indicate a problem with them. Don't remember now how many and what other heads exactly I was messing with at the time, but I just couldn't get consistent impacts from them which was weird. Normally that would indicate a spine issue, but I know I had stuff like Magnus and Woodsman flying with that setup and the TOTA was a definite outlier from other heads. Made no sense.

 

[Beendare]

I’m curious, how many of you mech head guy have actually shot them more than a dozen times at long range to test?

FWIW, I’ve been shooting my 2 blades almost every day for the last 7-8 weeks…easy to touch up and reuse.

 

[MuleyBuck]

I’m curious, how many of you mech head guy have actually shot them more than a dozen times at long range to test?

FWIW, I’ve been shooting my 2 blades almost every day for the last 7-8 weeks…easy to touch up and reuse.

Great point, expecting them to fly like your field tips at long range and them actually doing it can be 2 different things. I’ve had some very poor flying low profile mechanicals

 

[fatlander]

Hundreds of shots on each of the following broadheads beyond 60 yards: SEVRs, grim reaper pro series, QAD exodus, iron will standards, g5 Montecs, slick trick standards and vipers, and magnus stingers. There’s no denying that the mechs are more forgiving when you stretch the legs. Less wind drift, less fall off due to drag beyond 75, less critical of bad shots, and they’re quieter in flight.


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[fatlander]

Great point, expecting them to fly like your field tips at long range and them actually doing it can be 2 different things. I’ve had some very poor flying low profile mechanicals

I’ve never had a broadhead, fixed or mech, that spun true on a nock tuned shaft that didn’t fly just fine. I’ve also never had any broadhead that didn’t spin true fly worth a darn. I’d be willing to wager a whole lot of money that a whole lot of people in the woods right this minutes wouldn’t know what spinning broadheads meant if their life depended on it


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[WVELK]

How far was this shooting at?

A shooting machine used correctly should be putting the same arrow back in the sane hole, so I'm not really following group size unless you are talking about excess of 80 yards, which there's probably too many external variables at that point, unless it's being done indoors.

A shooting machine is only as good as the quality and alignment of the head, shaft and vanes. A shooting machine will not shoot a bent shaft in the same hole. The video I am referring to was at 50 yards.

 

[WVELK]

The internet is undefeated. It’s no longer “these broadheads fly like field tips”. We’ve graduated to “these broadhead fly better than field tips”.


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Congratulations. You win the BSD contest. I am too old to worry about folks like you who probably have little else to do that troll the net striking at folks who try to help. After over 30 years in the archery manufacturing business, selling companies on many occasions, and employing a many engineers during that time, we all stand on one knee before your greatness. Take a few engineering classes, work with a shaft and head that are truly aligned, use the correct FOC and you might be able to figure out why there are front and rear wings on an aircraft my friend. It doe have some relation to a three bladed fixed head in front of an arrow shaft with four vanes. But, again we know you are the smartest. Take care.

 

[Billy Goat]

I’m curious, how many of you mech head guy have actually shot them more than a dozen times at long range to test?

FWIW, I’ve been shooting my 2 blades almost every day for the last 7-8 weeks…easy to touch up and reuse.

I have.

I shoot fixed heads more, but I have a handful of mech heads/designs that I also have a lot of shots with.

 

[Billy Goat]

A shooting machine is only as good as the quality and alignment of the head, shaft and vanes. A shooting machine will not shoot a bent shaft in the same hole. The video I am referring to was at 50 yards.

Actually, I have a fairly bent aluminum 27 shaft that will not only hit same hole everytime, it will hit the same hole as the 6 or 7 other shafts I have setup the same, at 20 yards.


With a field point, straightness doesn't matter much. It's hard to tell .006 shafts from .001's, but that's definitely not the case once you put a broadhead on the front.

 

[fatlander]

Congratulations. You win the BSD contest. I am too old to worry about folks like you who probably have little else to do that troll the net striking at folks who try to help. After over 30 years in the archery manufacturing business, selling companies on many occasions, and employing a many engineers during that time, we all stand on one knee before your greatness. Take a few engineering classes, work with a shaft and head that are truly aligned, use the correct FOC and you might be able to figure out why there are front and rear wings on an aircraft my friend. It doe have some relation to a three bladed fixed head in front of an arrow shaft with four vanes. But, again we know you are the smartest. Take care.

When they start launching airplanes that are spinning at 5,000+ rpm with wings on the nose, let’s talk.


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[5MilesBack]

These truglo heads have a different blade profile tho, and the placement of that hole is definitely concerning.

I finally opened the package and decided to test one of these things out. One shot through 3/4" plywood and it broke a blade.........right where that hole is. Personally I don't consider plywood to be all that tough of a testing device, but it's amazing how many BH's break or lose a blade on the first shot. And this wasn't even one of my angled shots. Maybe I'll save these for grouse, rabbits, or squirrels or something. These heads are more like a Fatal Steel head than a Spitfire. But my FS heads are quite a bit more durable than this.

 

[5MilesBack]

I can’t practice a mechanical failing on a bull that moves on the string.

Can you practice a fixed head failing on a bull that moves on a string?

 

[Billy Goat]

I finally opened the package and decided to test one of these things out. One shot through 3/4" plywood and it broke a blade.........right where that hole is. Personally I don't consider plywood to be all that tough of a testing device, but it's amazing how many BH's break or lose a blade on the first shot. And this wasn't even one of my angled shots. Maybe I'll save these for grouse, rabbits, or squirrels or something.
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I figured that would happen looking at them.

3/4 plywood isn't the toughest stuff, but it's not lightweight either. If it was OSB it would be a real concern.

For deer its probably plenty of a comparison, I'd definitely have reservations using them on anything larger.

Personally, a head like that if a single blade broke off because it clipped the humorous, I wouldn't have issue with it. Assuming it continued to travel through the animal. I'd rather have a blade not break, but I'd also rather have a blade break off than stop the arrow. That head with a single blade broke off is still cutting more than most 2 blade.

 

[S.Clancy]

I appreciate your thoughts. However, you missed my point. I was never talking about a multi arrow group size. I was talking about a single arrow with a field point being able to strike at the same point of impact over and over again. Versus the same arrow with a fixed standard head slick trick being able to strike at the same point of impact over and over again. If I find time to look for it there is an excellent video of a test using a shooting machine and Slick Trick standards versus field points. In that test it too shows the fixed head created a more consistent group single arrow to single arrow. With all due respect, it is not just mathematics, it is aeronautical engineering. But, to each his own. Thanks again for you thoughts.

You aren't a Hooter Shooter.

 

[S.Clancy]

I’m curious, how many of you mech head guy have actually shot them more than a dozen times at long range to test?

FWIW, I’ve been shooting my 2 blades almost every day for the last 7-8 weeks…easy to touch up and reuse.

I shot them all yr out to 100 and beyond.