“Alaska is Ours”

[displacedtexan]

Complete ignorance, now when did I throw shade at you? I should have clarified Marxist theory of socialism.

Once again I write almost everytime, MY OPINION. Last I checked this was an open thread. Maybe you’d prefer it to be a censored thread? Where not just anybody can drop their opinions.

You don't get an opinion on what socialism is.

Words have meanings.

 

[amassi]

I think we need to add that Russia and Ukraine (plus some other countries) have a little info on this administration that will not be good if it’s revealed. This gives these countries a little more room to “roam”.

Nonsense
Russia has Info on every politician, they have an incredibly strong intelligence service that collects/creates dirt on political candidates very early in their career. They helped President Trump get elected in 2016 by controlling the narrative and were meddling in Afghanistan with a bounty program and President Trump did nothing.
There's nothing on Hunter Bidens laptop that serious.

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[Flyjunky]

Nonsense
Russia has Info on every politician, they have an incredibly strong intelligence service that collects/creates dirt on political candidates very early in their career. They helped President Trump get elected in 2016 by controlling the narrative and were meddling in Afghanistan with a bounty program and President Trump did nothing.
There's nothing on Hunter Bidens laptop that serious.

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Keep believing there’s nothing on Hunters laptop, just like the media tells you. Remember, that was disinformation during the election and then it was suddenly verified. Getting millions from Russia…nothing to see here

 

[amassi]

Keep believing there’s nothing on Hunters laptop, just like the media tells you. Remember, that was disinformation during the election and then it was suddenly verified. Getting millions from Russia…nothing to see here

I didn't say nothing on the laptop I said nothing near as bad as meddling in our election process. Who was
Getting millions from Russia? Hunter biden?

How much did trump gain during his presidency? How much did he fleece from supporters($250 million) from nov- Jan who donated to his stop the steal campaign which was used to pay back his reelection fund and fund a P.A.C

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[MattB]

Our current leaders would simply sign our sovereignty over or already tried at least medically. I am not saying that NATO would expeditiously assault and conquer our home soil. Now could I see NATO taking control of the US in say the next “Pandemic”. Absolutely.

You really need to stop getting your news from wherever you are getting it. Really.

 

[jimh406]

Many indications suggest that Putin desired a Trump presidency and that it would have been in his favor in terms of taking Ukraine. If nothing else, Trump seemed to express admiration for Putin and the Trump presidency certainly seemed to have a destabilizing effect on NATO, which was desirable and of benefit for Putin.

What is it about a trump presidency that you believe would have kept Putin on the Russian side of the border? Fear that a president who ran on american isolation policy and expressed admiration for Putin’s tactics would respond with direct military action?

The whole world was better off under Trump. Russia would have been better as well. There was no downside of Putin going into Ukraine other than the Ukraine fighters. He had zero respect for Biden just like nobody else does. As noted, there is no American leader on the world stage, NATO sat on their hands and expressed indignation.

The last 3 invasions by Putin happened during times when oil prices were high. They were low under Trump. Biden's first moves were to raise the price of oil. In effect, those changes gave Putin all of the money to survive with whatever sanctions we tried. Of course, that also makes more money for other enemies like Iran.

In spite of what some news sources said Trump would do, none of it happened. Instead, all of the negatives happened under the "responsible" and "calm" person. In other words, those who believed those people should be realizing they were lied to.

Of course, if you like the track we are on, good for you. You are one of the 15%.

 

[MattB]

The whole world was better off under Trump. Russia would have been better as well. There was no downside of Putin going into Ukraine other than the Ukraine fighters. He had zero respect for Biden just like nobody else does. As noted, there is no American leader on the world stage, NATO sat on their hands and expressed indignation.

The last 3 invasions by Putin happened during times when oil prices were high. They were low under Trump. Biden's first moves were to raise the price of oil. In effect, those changes gave Putin all of the money to survive with whatever sanctions we tried. Of course, that also makes more money for other enemies like Iran.

In spite of what some news sources said Trump would do, none of it happened. Instead, all of the negatives happened under the "responsible" and "calm" person. In other words, those who believed those people should be realizing they were lied to.

Of course, if you like the track we are on, good for you. You are one of the 15%.

I find that some people believe that oil prices were low under Trump and that Biden increased them really fascinating, because it is a) largely not true, and b) the part that is true about it was largely caused by external factors that neither Trump or Biden had any control over.

The below shows Brent crude prices over the past 10 years. The red tick marks bracket Trump's time in office, and the blue tick mark indicates Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The highest point on the chart prior to Russia's invasion was during Trump's presidency - so oil prices were increasing/high when Trump was in office. Oil prices under Biden prior to the Russian invasion were never as high as they were during the peak of Trump's presidency. The lowest point was also under Trump, but was driven by a massive decline in demand due to COVID restrictions and not Trump's platform policies. IMO this belief is just a partisan view of cause and effect looking through red-tinted glasses.

 

[jimh406]

IMO this belief is just a partisan view of cause and effect looking through red-tinted glasses.

You aren't the first one to produce a chart with data that doesn't prove anything. It's easy to pick unrelated data and pretend it matters. Price of crude and price of fuel at the pump aren't the same thing.

The chart that matters is the price of fuel at the pump.

You can choose to believe that government policy doesn't affect gasoline prices. However, those who don't believe the propaganda, know it does.

 

[Poser]

The whole world was better off under Trump. Russia would have been better as well. There was no downside of Putin going into Ukraine other than the Ukraine fighters. He had zero respect for Biden just like nobody else does. As noted, there is no American leader on the world stage, NATO sat on their hands and expressed indignation.

The last 3 invasions by Putin happened during times when oil prices were high. They were low under Trump. Biden's first moves were to raise the price of oil. In effect, those changes gave Putin all of the money to survive with whatever sanctions we tried. Of course, that also makes more money for other enemies like Iran.

In spite of what some news sources said Trump would do, none of it happened. Instead, all of the negatives happened under the "responsible" and "calm" person. In other words, those who believed those people should be realizing they were lied to.

Of course, if you like the track we are on, good for you. You are one of the 15%.

Hold on, back up: how would a Trump presidency have hypothetically prevented the Ukraine invasion?

 

[amassi]

Hold on, back up: how would a Trump presidency have hypothetically prevented the Ukraine invasion?

Not prevented only delayed-
Trump would have spent 4 more years further weakening nato, removing assets from the region and propping up Russia while allowing the annexation of Crimea.
Putin would have gladly sat back and watched and waited, released a pr push about all the Nazis he was about to overthrow et el.
He would relay all this to Trump in one of their closed door meetings

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[jimh406]

Hold on, back up: how would a Trump presidency have hypothetically prevented the Ukraine invasion?

Post #106.

 

[*zap*]

How many airbase are in Alaska? How hard would it be to take them out before the bell rings?

 

[GSPHUNTER]

How many airbase are in Alaska? How hard would it be to take them out before the bell rings?

7 split between Army, AF and Coast Guard. No Navy or marine bases.. I think they are mainly early warning bases.. I'm certain the commies have those targeted.

 

[Poser]

Post #106.

So, “the whole world was better under trump” and some tangents about fuel prices are your answer?

 

[*zap*]

Things right now suck, that is for sure.

 

[FLATHEAD]

I find it absolutely amazing that some are still bashing Trump after the last 2 years of the
worst Presidency, possibly in the history of this country.
Just so you know, at this point you have zero credibility.

 

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Well, there is negative credibility.

 

[jimh406]

So, “the whole world was better under trump” and some tangents about fuel prices are your answer?

Of course not, apparently you missed the relevant parts to your question in the post.

 

[Poser]

Of course not, apparently you missed the relevant parts to your question in the post.

I read it again. I see: your hinging putin’s invasion on oil prices. Low fuel prices = no invasion. High fuel prices = invade.

While there may be a tiny bit of credibility to the connection, there would seem to be a number of factors out of Trump’s (or any sitting president’s) control that could cause fuel prices to rise. That connection alone, would be a roll of the dice as to whether or not it would prevent putin’s invasion, certainly not enough to stake an absolute claim to.

I certainly think that Biden could have been considerably stronger and more allusive leading up to the invasion, perhaps making Putin 2nd guess himself and maybe Trump would have done something similar, but I can’t know. The whole, “the US will have no part” statements just seemed weak. Maybe even suggesting that the US “will respond” or deploying all or most 14 “boomer” subs would have made a statement unto itself.

Who knows? It’s all hypothetical at this point, but here we are: Russia is rolling on Ukraine and potentially (according to the Brits) gearing up for more countries. Gas prices are sky high, I easily spend $150 a week at the grocery store as a bachelor, and median house prices far exceed what any median income worker can possibly ever afford. It’s all in the shitter.

 

[jimh406]

I read it again. I see: your hinging putin’s invasion on oil prices. Low fuel prices = no invasion. High fuel prices = invade.

While there may be a tiny bit of credibility to the connection, there would seem to be a number of factors out of Trump’s (or any sitting president’s) control that could cause fuel prices to rise. That connection alone, would be a roll of the dice as to whether or not it would prevent putin’s invasion, certainly not enough to stake an absolute claim to.

I certainly think that Biden could have been considerably stronger and more allusive leading up to the invasion, perhaps making Putin 2nd guess himself and maybe Trump would have done something similar, but I can’t know. The whole, “the US will have no part” statements just seemed weak. Maybe even suggesting that the US “will respond” or deploying all or most 14 “boomer” subs would have made a statement unto itself.

Who knows? It’s all hypothetical at this point, but here we are: Russia is rolling on Ukraine and potentially (according to the Brits) gearing up for more countries. Gas prices are sky high, I easily spend $150 a week at the grocery store as a bachelor, and median house prices far exceed what any median income worker can possibly ever afford. It’s all in the shitter.

Yeah, “just a tiny bit”. Putin invaded when he had money to invade all three times. Maybe Trump would have reversed all of his own policies like Biden did for the Trump policies. Can anyone prove that things would have been worse if Biden hadn’t reversed Trump’s policies? Nope. But, things seemed better before the “improvements” Biden made.

In any case, I agree that things aren’t going so great right now for many people. I’m doing fine. It isn’t about me. I feel bad for those lower income and middle class people who work who believed the lies they were told that Biden and his party was the answer. Maybe those voters have learned from the pain or maybe they didn’t. First datapoint is in November.