Adam Greentree Invasive Species

[Dos Perros]

Killing something for the likes is unethical, regardless of invasive or not, edible or not.

 

[Deere83]

i Don’t have a tv or computer, I look at rokslide for hunting related information on my phone, these people are making money because you watch their stuff, just stop feeding the monster

 

[Wilderlife]

No offence intended to any of you over in North America, but a lot of you need to open your mind and understand that the context of hunting in Australia is vastly different to the context you have.

Almost everything over here that we hunt is 'invasive' in that is was brought here bu European settlers. We barely hunt any of our native animals - a few ducks I suppose, and obviously some fish. What I'm saying here is that deer are also introduced, but we are in a big fight at the moment regarding their classification. Some of our introduced animals are referred to as 'feral' and some aren't. Deer for example are referred to as 'game animals' in my state as they were intentionally released for the purposes of hunting. Most deer hunters over here that I know take the meat, but I do know of some farmers who shoot hundreds of deer (or have people shoot the deer for them) and leave most of them to rot.

The vast majority of people don't eat pigs over here. I eat some when I feel like it, but I'm not that desperate. Yes, pigs can carry some diseases, but the arguments regarding this in order to justify not eating them are ridiculous. We used to have an enormous wild pork market and people would kill pigs by the thousands and export them to Europe for human consumption, and I can tell you now, the people doing the hunting weren't thinking about the diet of the pig or the age of the pig. If it was caught and killed, it was sent overseas.

At the moment, we are in the middle of a horrific drought, so most of the pigs in my area are living in carrion. They'd still be OK to eat but they are covered in bacteria from rolling in carcasses and their taste and condition isn't at all comparable to a pig that has been living off a wheat or oat crop in a farm paddock. I've eaten a couple of wild pigs this year (out of a couple of dozen that I've killed) and they've been OK.

More times than I care to remember, I have killed big numbers of pigs and left them all to rot. Besides the fact that it would be physically impossible for me or any of my friends and family to consume all of the pigs I kill, it would be considered 'unethical' over here to see pigs and not shoot them. I have heard of many instances where a farmer has allowed a bowhunter onto their property to shoot pigs and then realised that they have been targeting mature boars and letting other pigs walk away. If I ever told a farmer that I saw a mob of pigs but didn't shoot any because I wanted to let them breed up and look after their numbers, they'd think I was a moron and probably kick me off their place.

I just don't think someone from North America should actively try to 'out ethical' someone from another country that has an entirely different context and perspective. We're not talking about native animals here. We're talking about incredibly destructive pests. Yes, in my opinion, they still command a huge amount of respect and admiration, but that's besides the point. Just this year alone I've killed about 60 deer and about 40 of those have been consumed by me or my friends/family. 20 or so were shipped off to the human consumption market. The point I'm making here is that I do my best to use a lot of what I kill, but it's not realistic to only kill something if we plan on eating it. If that were the case, none of us would kill foxes or cats either.

If anyone anywhere tries to tell me I've got my priorities wrong because I killed a feral pig and didn't eat it, I would consider that person incredibly ignorant.

You talk about 'fair chase' over there. It means something different over here. I'm sure plenty of you wouldn't think it's fair that I've chased after pigs on quad bikes and kept shooting until I ran out of ammo, but it wouldn't be fair to the farmers, or native wildlife, to let them keep roaming around, would it?

Lastly, don't confuse anything I'm saying here as being cruel. I don't advocate cruelty to animals at all. Everything I kill is done so as humanely as possible.

Cheers.

 

[orionthehunter1]

Who cares the guy is a convicted poacher

 

[cuerro viejo]

We should start arresting every DWR Officer that kills a bear and doesn’t eat it, or a hog etc....


Posts like this are micro view of reality

 

[hayesplow]

Sometimes i feel its almost impossible to get all the meat, i have seen first hand, times were hunters have the take the most meat they possibly can and leave the rest behind. it does count as wastage of another animal will pick it up.

 

[hobbes]

I'm offended, I'm not sure by what, but damnit I'm offended. It's my right as an American to be offended. How could we get through the day without being offended by something?

 

[Wilderlife]

I think it's less about being offended and more about being informed. I know it's hard to be informed about things that happen on the other side of the world, but at the ed of the day, we are all hunters and all in 'this' together. It doesn't help anyone is Americans look down on Australians for not using all of the meat off animals we kill, when there are lots of stupid things happening in America that are similar; I'm aware of lots of predators being killed by the government over there and none of that meat is getting used.

Our biggest issue at the moment (as I see it) is deer being shot out of helicopters in public land areas where hunters aren't allowed. If hunters were allowed in there we could cull the deer and use the meat, which would in turn save a lot of waste of both meat and taxpayer dollars.

 

[-bowfreak-]

I get the invasive species argument but there isn't many if any hunters down under that would do away with all of these invasive species if they could. It's no different than hogs in Texas or anywhere else. Everyone talks about how destructive they are but the majority of hunters would crap their pants if somehow the hogs actually did disappear.

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[FLAK]

We have a lot of road kill Whitetail down here, esp. during the rut.
I have NEVER seen anyone pick one up and take it home to eat.
Just rots on the side of the road. No difference IMO. But for me
personally, I dont make a habit of killing stuff I dont intend on eating.
That may be because I have mellowed as I have aged. Not saying I
wont, I just dont make a habit of it.

 

[Wilderlife]

I get the invasive species argument but there isn't many if any hunters down under that would do away with all of these invasive species if they could. It's no different than hogs in Texas or anywhere else. Everyone talks about how destructive they are but the majority of hunters would crap their pants if somehow the hogs actually did disappear.

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Of course. I'm not disputing that. I'm just making the point that many of us kill far more animals than we could consume, even if we gave away heaps of meat to friends and family. If every Australia had to stop doing that and use everything we kill, and therefore not kill stuff in huge numbers to reduce waste, the populations of some of these animals would be even bigger and it would justify baits being dropped from helicopters or other government means of reducing their numbers, which results in more waste anyway.

I'm sure it's similar to some people in Texas and other southern parts of the USA, where pigs are killed in big numbers, but I don't know if a lot of North Americans quite understand just how many animals some of us kill down here.

 

[Dos Perros]

Where’s the joy in killing heaps of animals? Just seems kinda sick.

 

[-bowfreak-]

Of course. I'm not disputing that. I'm just making the point that many of us kill far more animals than we could consume, even if we gave away heaps of meat to friends and family. If every Australia had to stop doing that and use everything we kill, and therefore not kill stuff in huge numbers to reduce waste, the populations of some of these animals would be even bigger and it would justify baits being dropped from helicopters or other government means of reducing their numbers, which results in more waste anyway.

I'm sure it's similar to some people in Texas and other southern parts of the USA, where pigs are killed in big numbers, but I don't know if a lot of North Americans quite understand just how many animals some of us kill down here.

My comment wasn't really directed at you, just that premise in general. Personally....if I lived in Oz I'd love the fact that all of this stuff to hunt is running around.

Where’s the joy in killing heaps of animals? Just seems kinda sick.

Well....I enjoy shooting stuff with my bow. I'd love to give it a try. I'm weird enough in that I always wanted to hunt the donkeys and camels and crazy stuff they hunt.

Maybe that's New Zealand, but close enough.

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[tdhanses]

I don't know who on here follows Adam Greentree. Recently he and his wife went on a multiple day hunt. During this hunt they killed 2 buffalo, a brush bull, a hog and several other animals. It is obviously impossible to take all this meat out with them. Upon obvious complaints from his followers he commented on how these are invasive species and so leaving the carcasses too rot and be eaten by other animals is ethical. I haven't concluded my opinion on the subject. My question is, does the ethics and respect for the animal and the meat provided by the life you took somehow change because there is a man made changing law that states there is no tag limit, is classified in the area as a nuisance or invasive species?

With that logic how can one not eat coyote meat or prairie dogs? We manage many animals to reduce numbers, not eat them. I’m not up on where he hunted but if legal it doesn’t bother me.

 

[tdhanses]

Where’s the joy in killing heaps of animals? Just seems kinda sick.

Do you shoot coyotes for fun? We seem to place more value on some animals then others. I’ll shoot a dozen coyotes and hundreds of prairie dogs in a day if there is an opportunity, how is that different? Animal is an animal?

I’m ok with it if it is a viable way to manage the numbers of a species, especially if their numbers are growing very fast and damaging an ecosystem or reducing other animals opportunity to have healthy populations. So without knowing facts there are many reasons governments allow people to kill animals without utilizing their meat and I don’t think that is unethical.

 

[Randle]

We have a lot of road kill Whitetail down here, esp. during the rut.
I have NEVER seen anyone pick one up and take it home to eat.
Just rots on the side of the road. No difference IMO. But for me
personally, I dont make a habit of killing stuff I dont intend on eating.
That may be because I have mellowed as I have aged. Not saying I
wont, I just dont make a habit of it.

We are allowed to salvage road kill up here. and there aren't very many that go to waste. But we generally only get 1 deer tag a year so maybe people are willing to spend the extra time to get a free deer or 3...
How many tags can one get in your neck of the woods? that might be the difference.

 

[Dinger]

Where’s the joy in killing heaps of animals? Just seems kinda sick.

Your question is one you could ask me......and I'd like to answer it.

I don't proclaim to finding joy in vertebrate pest control. It just needs to be done by someone and I'll step up and do it in a humane & targeted manner.

On a property I have access to for deer, I've left more meat (kangaroo) to rot than a thousand NA hunters will do in thousand life times...there is zero joy or ego in that statement, but it was and is necessary. All native culling I have done is fully government & landowner sanctioned and conducted under an audit-able tag system. Tags for the property are usually issued in 500 lots and then re-issued as soon as you get through them, I have never had an application for tags rejected. Up until recently the licence conditions stated no part of the carcass can leave the property. I attempt to keep the kangaroo's in check and in return the landowner will tolerate me passing on the few deer that are there once I have a full freezer. In addition to the kangaroo's I am expected to kill every feral cat, wild dog & pig I come across.

Whether it's a large scale control of rabbits, hares, foxes, goats, pigs, deer or kangaroo's, most Australian hunters with long term private property, find themselves in a position of providing a vertebrate pest control service as a currency for access.

I have often considered whether it is worth the effort, blood and cost to maintain access. I am burning through barrels, diesel and tyres every night we are out. Having done large scale culling for the last couple of decades I can tell you I find absolutely zero joy in the task and only a grim acceptance that it will continue to be done regardless, either by me, a contractor or the next hunter that gains access.

Cheers,

Jason

 

[Dos Perros]

Do you shoot coyotes for fun? We seem to place more value on some animals then others. I’ll shoot a dozen coyotes and hundreds of prairie dogs in a day if there is an opportunity, how is that different? Animal is an animal?

I’m ok with it if it is a viable way to manage the numbers of a species, especially if their numbers are growing very fast and damaging an ecosystem or reducing other animals opportunity to have healthy populations. So without knowing facts there are many reasons governments allow people to kill animals without utilizing their meat and I don’t think that is unethical.

I have shot coyotes before. Maybe a half dozen in my life. Some to see if I could, some on request of a landowner. I don’t think I’d get any joy killing heaps of them.

Managing ecosystems is one thing. Getting off on the dirty work is another.

 

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[hobbes]

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If that's what I think it is, they are a plague to US waterways.