Action Design For Hunting

[Q_Sertorius]

Do you carry a tikka with a round in the chamber?

All the time…..always?

When hunting, yes. I chamber a round as soon as I step out of the house. I carry my rifle all day. It never magically goes off by itself. It only goes off when I flick off the safety and press the trigger, same as every other rifle I own.

When I slung it over my shoulder to drag a buck out this afternoon, I went back to Condition 3. But that’s what I would do with any rifle. If it’s slung over your shoulder, you aren’t getting a fast shot anyway.

 

[Kjc103]

I carry with a round chambered more than many (but not all the time). However the attitude expressed above, with any weapon, is flat unsafe, doesn't matter the weapon platform.

4 ounce triggers are unsafe on anything but a range queen. Again, for human error side of things, even if mechanically safe. Learn to shoot and quit needing a crutch.

A Blazer doesn't change any of the above, and by your own admission you behave more dangerously due to an illusion of safety, thus a Blazer in your hands is more dangerous than a Rem700 with a modified trigger.

It does.

Here, let’s try this:

Two minutes in, you can hear the guy cock the rifle right before he takes a shot.

What is different about the Blaser is that there is zero mechanical energy for the firing pin to strike the primer.

You literally cannot, regardless of trigger weight, set that round off.

You cock it as you bring it up to shoot. One fluid motion. When you’re done, you de-cock it. The rifle is never cocked unless you intend to shoot. You never walk around with it cocked….you don’t have to drop a mag, clear a chamber….none of that. Just de-cock it.

The tikka, has all the mechanical energy stored, ready to fire. The safety is blocking the firing pin. So, if for any reason, the safety is disengaged (MUCH easier to do than cocking a Blaser) it will fire.

One is designed for driven hunts, where you need to be “ready to go”, immediately.

The other is just a perfectly useable safety design. Not intended to be hauled around all day with a hot chamber.

 

[Kjc103]

When hunting, yes. I chamber a round as soon as I step out of the house. I carry my rifle all day. It never magically goes off by itself. It only goes off when I flick off the safety and press the trigger, same as every other rifle I own.

When I slung it over my shoulder to drag a buck out this afternoon, I went back to Condition 3. But that’s what I would do with any rifle. If it’s slung over your shoulder, you aren’t getting a fast shot anyway.

That’s a perfectly fair answer.

I just feel that the Blaser design is objectively better.

If a Tikka had it, I would use one. A tikka is superior in a lot of ways to the Blaser.

 

[hibernation]

What were you hoping to get out of this thread?

At this point, I'm just hoping for more feet pics.

 

[Kjc103]

I carry with a round chambered more than many (but not all the time). However the attitude expressed above, with any weapon, is flat unsafe, doesn't matter the weapon platform.

4 ounce triggers are unsafe on anything but a range queen. Again, for human error side of things, even if mechanically safe. Learn to shoot and quit needing a crutch.

A Blazer doesn't change any of the above, and by your own admission you behave more dangerously due to an illusion of safety, thus a Blazer in your hands is more dangerous than a Rem700 with a modified trigger

I know you’re sincere. I would also agree with you if it was a 4 oz Remington trigger.

It’s not and the two design could not be more different. Literally. In so many ways.

 

[ddd-shooter]

It does.

Here, let’s try this:

Two minutes in, you can hear the guy cock the rifle right before he takes a shot.

What is different about the Blaser is that there is zero mechanical energy for the firing pin to strike the primer.

You literally cannot, regardless of trigger weight, set that round off.

You cock it as you bring it up to shoot. One fluid motion. When you’re done, you de-cock it. The rifle is never cocked unless you intend to shoot. You never walk around with it cocked….you don’t have to drop a mag, clear a chamber….none of that. Just de-cock it.

The tikka, has all the mechanical energy stored, ready to fire. The safety is blocking the firing pin. So, if for any reason, the safety is disengaged (MUCH easier to do than cocking a Blaser) it will fire.

One is designed for driven hunts, where you need to be “ready to go”, immediately.

The other is just a perfectly useable safety design. Not intended to be hauled around all day with a hot chamber.

This makes no sense.
I can ALSO imagine a crazy scenario whereby some piece of gear pushes the blaser cocking mechanism into “fire” position. Simply because that imaginary, far out scenario CAN exist in my stupid brain, doesn’t mean it is valid.
You keep admitting poor muzzle control of a loaded rifle. I think you should think about that for a while. It’s literally against every firearm principle.

I also don’t own a tikka.


Time for memes yet?

 

[ddd-shooter]

Interesting. Sounds like guns really don't need a safety at all then.

Wait until you find out about what responsible people used to do before lawyers got involved….
Wait until you pick up a firearm made before safeties were a thing

 

[cottonant]

Wait until you find out about what responsible people used to do before lawyers got involved….
Wait until you pick up a firearm made before safeties were a thing

Hell when I shot PRS the safety was always off with the mag out and bolt back. More than one way to skin a cat

 

[Kjc103]

At this point, I'm just hoping for more feet pics.

This makes no sense.
I can ALSO imagine a crazy scenario whereby some piece of gear pushes the blaser cocking mechanism into “fire” position. Simply because that imaginary, far out scenario CAN exist in my stupid brain, doesn’t mean it is valid.
You keep admitting poor muzzle control of a loaded rifle. I think you should think about that for a while. It’s literally against every firearm principle.

I also don’t own a tikka.


Time for memes yet?

I keep admitting I have poor muzzle control of a loaded firearm? Really dude?

You can just admit that you don’t understand the design of the firearm I’m discussing. Why would you, there are hardly any around.

Here’s the deal, this isn’t going to go anywhere because no one knows wtf a Blaser is. Admittedly, I didn’t expect that.

Alas, we are at an impasse.

 

[bnewt3]

Sooooooooo this whole 182 reply and counting thread is about how you would have a Tikka if not for this(in your mind) MASSIVE flaw.

Nope, I don't buy it. Either you wanted everyone to know you have multiple Blasers or you are a gigantic troll..........or both.

 

[JohnJohnson]

@Formidilosus since you have an R8 on hand, can you articulate the difference in force needed to cock the R8 (in the way he keeps mentioning) versus taking the safety off a Tikka? I just don't see how the R8's button wouldn't suffer from the same imaginary scenario as a Tikka safety but maybe it's really hard to cock.

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus since you have an R8 on hand, can you articulate the difference in force needed to cock the R8 (in the way he keeps mentioning) versus taking the safety off a Tikka? I just don't see how the R8's button wouldn't suffer from the same imaginary scenario as a Tikka safety but maybe it's really hard to cock.

The R8 is quite stiff, with a long travel to cock. Undoubtedly it would be harder to “accidentally” cock it; but neither is a real thing. I would not, and do not carry the R8 chambered in any scenario that I wouldn’t a T3, M70, etc. It’s a completely mental masterbation, contrived issue.

 

[ddd-shooter]

I keep admitting I have poor muzzle control of a loaded firearm? Really dude?

See below:

The Blaser is loaded all the time when I’m in the field or packing it. It was even loaded when I was packing in horseback.

The hammer is de-cocked until I’m ready to shoot.

Would not do any of that with a tikka.

Furthermore, I’m hunting with a 4 ounce trigger. I also wouldn’t do that with a Tikka.

It’s not nonsense.

That’s how they are designed to be carried. It’s literally in the DNA of how it was conceived and brought to market. It is one of the main advantages to the design and it was intentional. Specifically, for driven hunts.

You have one of mine in your possession, feel free to try and simulate that hammer getting cocked unintentionally.

Comparing an M4 or M77 isn’t relevant to the claim of how the Blaser was designed. However, I carried both with the safety’s selected.

Blazer disagrees. Direct from the R8 manual. Makes my point nicely when the manufacturer says you don't understand te design.

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I mean, idk. I’m just taking your words for the truth (my mistake) and then comparing them with the principles of safe firearms handling (and, thanks to @Marbles, the literal owners manual for the gun.)

Time for memes

 

[rookieforever33]

Almost to the end of page 10 and no meme hole gang yet! I even offered myself up for sacrifice with a negligent discharge. Another guy showed his bloodshot toes. WTF

 

[ddd-shooter]

Almost to the end of page 10 and no meme hole gang yet! I even offered myself up for sacrifice with a negligent discharge. Another guy showed his bloodshot toes. WTF

 

[ddd-shooter]

 

[ozyclint]

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Mine was pointing in a safe direction after clearing the chamber and dropping the hammer for storage. I guess it wasnt clear until I dropped the hammer.

You obviously don't shoot 77tmk's?

I'm sure a 77tmk would have blown 4 tiles off the roof into the street.

No wait, 4 tiles would have been vapourised.

 

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