Action Design For Hunting

[Kjc103]

Are you carrying your blazer loaded while you have relinquished muzzle control?


Mainly we are saying either just carry unloaded if you are concerned OR buy a blazer for your boar hunts OR do what we all do when loaded which is maintain muzzle control/awareness of the safety on/trigger discipline. It’s really not that complicated.

Personally I carry unloaded most often.

The Blaser is loaded all the time when I’m in the field or packing it. It was even loaded when I was packing in horseback.

The hammer is de-cocked until I’m ready to shoot.

Would not do any of that with a tikka.

Furthermore, I’m hunting with a 4 ounce trigger. I also wouldn’t do that with a Tikka.

 

[Kjc103]

When it is prudent- the exact same as with any rifle- including Blaser R8’s. If it is not in direct control- that is in your hands and needed for an immediate shot: then it is in condition 3.

You’re whole “designed to be carried loaded” is utter nonsense. Again- if this is an issue, how do you carry an M4? And it’s the same exact issue an M77 has- it’s the same thing.

It’s not nonsense.

That’s how they are designed to be carried. It’s literally in the DNA of how it was conceived and brought to market. It is one of the main advantages to the design and it was intentional. Specifically, for driven hunts.

You have one of mine in your possession, feel free to try and simulate that hammer getting cocked unintentionally.

Comparing an M4 or M77 isn’t relevant to the claim of how the Blaser was designed. However, I carried both with the safety’s selected.

 

[rookieforever33]

You'll hear nothing from me about AR safeties never accidentally getting bumped....

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That was 2  150gr Hornadys from a Daniel Defense DDM V5 AR10. It happens.

I also have the luckiest left foot on the planet.

Mine was pointing in a safe direction after clearing the chamber and dropping the hammer for storage. I guess it wasnt clear until I dropped the hammer.

 

[Steve300xcw]

This thread has potential

 

[grfox92]

At this point, it’s not my fault that you don’t understand what I’m saying,

It’s willful ignorance.

Dude. Im not trying to pick on you or anything but this thread is now 163 posts long almost all of it people trying to figure out what point you are trying to make. I dont think the issue lies with us.

I get it. You believe there are superior safety designs for carrying a chambered round (I think?). They may or may not be superior. That's open for interpretation and opinion.

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[Kjc103]

Dude. Im not trying to pick on you or anything but this thread is now 163 posts long almost all of it people trying to figure out what point you are trying to make. I dont think the issue lies with us.

I get it. You believe there are superior safety designs for carrying a chambered round (I think?). They may or may not be superior. That's open for interpretation and opinion.

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It’s hard because I’m extolling the virtues of a relatively obscure European design.

Half the people think I’m saying a Tikka isn’t “safe”.

The other half can’t picture what I’m saying because they haven’t used one.

Then there’s the guy that had the balls to tell us he shot himself in the foot. He’s the real hero of this thread.

In the end, it’s really simple. One was designed to carry a live round in the chamber, safely. The others safety wasn’t designed for it to be carried loaded, in virtually all circumstances. If the Tikka was, I would use one because I think in many ways it is superior to the far more expensive Blaser.

 

[Steve300xcw]

What were you hoping to get out of this thread?

 

[Antares]

You're worried about the Tikka's safety design, but you're also hunting with a 4 oz trigger?!

Okie dokie...

 

[Kjc103]

What were you hoping to get out of this thread?

Love, affection, maybe a deeper more meaningful relationship with the universe.

You know, basic stuff like that.

 

[Kjc103]

You're worried about the Tikka's safety design, but you're also hunting with a 4 oz trigger?!

Okie dokie...

Kinda boggles the mind right!

Can totally be done with a Blaser.

If you were close, I would take you out and let you take it for a test drive.

 

[Marbles]

The Blaser is loaded all the time when I’m in the field or packing it. It was even loaded when I was packing in horseback.

The hammer is de-cocked until I’m ready to shoot.

Would not do any of that with a tikka.

Furthermore, I’m hunting with a 4 ounce trigger. I also wouldn’t do that with a Tikka.

I carry with a round chambered more than many (but not all the time). However the attitude expressed above, with any weapon, is flat unsafe, doesn't matter the weapon platform.

4 ounce triggers are unsafe on anything but a range queen. Again, for human error side of things, even if mechanically safe. Learn to shoot and quit needing a crutch.

A Blazer doesn't change any of the above, and by your own admission you behave more dangerously due to an illusion of safety, thus a Blazer in your hands is more dangerous than a Rem700 with a modified trigger.

 

[Marbles]

In the end, it’s really simple. One was designed to carry a live round in the chamber, safely. The others safety wasn’t designed for it to be carried loaded, in virtually all circumstances. If the Tikka was, I would use one because I think in many ways it is superior to the far more expensive Blaser.

Blazer disagrees. Direct from the R8 manual. Makes my point nicely when the manufacturer says you don't understand te design.

 

[Thegman]

Dude. Im not trying to pick on you or anything but this thread is now 163 posts long almost all of it people trying to figure out what point you are trying to make. I dont think the issue lies with us.

I get it. You believe there are superior safety designs for carrying a chambered round (I think?). They may or may not be superior. That's open for interpretation and opinion.

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I think I have it figured out. He's actually a Blazer rep trying to scare all the Tikka owners into jumping ship. Says he can't afford them, but seems to have several of them...

 

[HGL]

Not that I think a "half cock" mod is necessarily a good idea, but you can modify a tikka bolt/safety as described below. It seems to be a thing some kiwi's do to their Tikkas. (fyi, the source is Gunworks NZ)

"Option 1

Standard halfcock is when the bolt can move to the half position, the safety will only engage when the bolt is down (as it left the factory) and you cannot lift the bolt with the safety on - We don't make any changes to the safety.

Option 2

We take the safety bolt stop lock off

This means that the firer can place the bolt in half cock or a fireable state or open the bolt in all positions with the safety on and the rifle will not fire until you release the safety.

Option 3

We machine a hole in the halfcock position in the bolt which locks the bolt in the halfcock and you cannot move the bolt until you put the safety into the fire position.

Halfcock, includes upgrade mainspring and firing pin shaft polish and trigger job"

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Do you carry a tikka with a round in the chamber?

All the time…..always?

When hunting, yes. I chamber a round as soon as I step out of the house. I carry my rifle all day. It never magically goes off by itself. It only goes off when I flick off the safety and press the trigger, same as every other rifle I own.

When I slung it over my shoulder to drag a buck out this afternoon, I went back to Condition 3. But that’s what I would do with any rifle. If it’s slung over your shoulder, you aren’t getting a fast shot anyway.

 

[Kjc103]

I carry with a round chambered more than many (but not all the time). However the attitude expressed above, with any weapon, is flat unsafe, doesn't matter the weapon platform.

4 ounce triggers are unsafe on anything but a range queen. Again, for human error side of things, even if mechanically safe. Learn to shoot and quit needing a crutch.

A Blazer doesn't change any of the above, and by your own admission you behave more dangerously due to an illusion of safety, thus a Blazer in your hands is more dangerous than a Rem700 with a modified trigger.

It does.

Here, let’s try this:

Two minutes in, you can hear the guy cock the rifle right before he takes a shot.

What is different about the Blaser is that there is zero mechanical energy for the firing pin to strike the primer.

You literally cannot, regardless of trigger weight, set that round off.

You cock it as you bring it up to shoot. One fluid motion. When you’re done, you de-cock it. The rifle is never cocked unless you intend to shoot. You never walk around with it cocked….you don’t have to drop a mag, clear a chamber….none of that. Just de-cock it.

The tikka, has all the mechanical energy stored, ready to fire. The safety is blocking the firing pin. So, if for any reason, the safety is disengaged (MUCH easier to do than cocking a Blaser) it will fire.

One is designed for driven hunts, where you need to be “ready to go”, immediately.

The other is just a perfectly useable safety design. Not intended to be hauled around all day with a hot chamber.

 

[Kjc103]

When hunting, yes. I chamber a round as soon as I step out of the house. I carry my rifle all day. It never magically goes off by itself. It only goes off when I flick off the safety and press the trigger, same as every other rifle I own.

When I slung it over my shoulder to drag a buck out this afternoon, I went back to Condition 3. But that’s what I would do with any rifle. If it’s slung over your shoulder, you aren’t getting a fast shot anyway.

That’s a perfectly fair answer.

I just feel that the Blaser design is objectively better.

If a Tikka had it, I would use one. A tikka is superior in a lot of ways to the Blaser.

 

[hibernation]

What were you hoping to get out of this thread?

At this point, I'm just hoping for more feet pics.

 

[Kjc103]

I carry with a round chambered more than many (but not all the time). However the attitude expressed above, with any weapon, is flat unsafe, doesn't matter the weapon platform.

4 ounce triggers are unsafe on anything but a range queen. Again, for human error side of things, even if mechanically safe. Learn to shoot and quit needing a crutch.

A Blazer doesn't change any of the above, and by your own admission you behave more dangerously due to an illusion of safety, thus a Blazer in your hands is more dangerous than a Rem700 with a modified trigger

I know you’re sincere. I would also agree with you if it was a 4 oz Remington trigger.

It’s not and the two design could not be more different. Literally. In so many ways.

 

[ddd-shooter]

It does.

Here, let’s try this:

Two minutes in, you can hear the guy cock the rifle right before he takes a shot.

What is different about the Blaser is that there is zero mechanical energy for the firing pin to strike the primer.

You literally cannot, regardless of trigger weight, set that round off.

You cock it as you bring it up to shoot. One fluid motion. When you’re done, you de-cock it. The rifle is never cocked unless you intend to shoot. You never walk around with it cocked….you don’t have to drop a mag, clear a chamber….none of that. Just de-cock it.

The tikka, has all the mechanical energy stored, ready to fire. The safety is blocking the firing pin. So, if for any reason, the safety is disengaged (MUCH easier to do than cocking a Blaser) it will fire.

One is designed for driven hunts, where you need to be “ready to go”, immediately.

The other is just a perfectly useable safety design. Not intended to be hauled around all day with a hot chamber.

This makes no sense.
I can ALSO imagine a crazy scenario whereby some piece of gear pushes the blaser cocking mechanism into “fire” position. Simply because that imaginary, far out scenario CAN exist in my stupid brain, doesn’t mean it is valid.
You keep admitting poor muzzle control of a loaded rifle. I think you should think about that for a while. It’s literally against every firearm principle.

I also don’t own a tikka.


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