ACTION ALERT: CPW Commission vote on fur ban

[Bluumoon]

Someone, perhaps one of those PACs that get "our" (Coloradans) donations, needs to move towards a ballot initiative to get CPW commission appointed by the County Sheriff's.

Or county commissioners .

I have offered @CRWM a substantial amount of $ if they introduce a right to hunt bill and get it to signature stage.

CRWM I’m sure is sitting on cash from last year and needs to go on offense.

 

[sndmn11]

Or county commissioners .

I have offered @CRWM a substantial amount of $ if they introduce a right to hunt bill and get it to signature stage.

CRWM I’m sure is sitting on cash from last year and needs to go on offense.

I'm unsure if the number of county commissioners is the same in each county or statutorily controlled.

 

[CoMulies]

Or county commissioners .

I have offered @CRWM a substantial amount of $ if they introduce a right to hunt bill and get it to signature stage.

CRWM I’m sure is sitting on cash from last year and needs to go on offense.

100%. Dan has been instrumental in the fight, and can’t thank him enough for the work he’s doing. But I have to disagree with his position on a right to hunt bill. As we saw today, it doesn’t matter if the biologists at CPW say that the science does not support the ban / bag limits, this was already a foregone conclusion. The band of stooges that Polis appointed had their directive, and they were going to do whatever mental gymnastics it took to push that through. When the science clearly opposed them, they raised that bullshit about “social science” and public pressure, and voted yes anyway.

We can’t keep sitting back and defending, it’s death by 1000 cuts. As we all know, this ban on sale of furs is merely a starting point.. next they come for trapping altogether (again). And then it’s hunting altogether. We need to push for a codified right to hunt and fish.

 

[sshhh]

Listening to them try to figure out what they are even trying to motion and the confusion is painful. Beaulieu motioned to approve but when questioned what her motion was she didn't know other than she approved "the spirt of the petition".

These people who are pushing these agenda's are not confused. This is happening, or will be happening, in every state province and country in the west. These people are organized, not dumb, and not lazy.

 

[CoMulies]

These people who are pushing these agenda's are not confused. This is happening, or will be happening, in every state province and country in the west. These people are organized, not dumb, and not lazy.

The first thing I thought was not that Beaulieu misspoke, it was that she intentionally obfuscated the motion so that the other commissioners may mistakenly agree to it.

The biggest hurdle for them was jumped today. It should’ve been outright shot down, but now it will go to rule making where they can make whatever little tweaks necessary to keep it alive and keep pushing it through. The best case scenario at this point for us is that we end up we just a daily bag limit / possession limit that isn’t obscenely restrictive.

When Polis and his little activist husband are finally gone next year, we 100% need to go on the offensive.

 

[sshhh]

The first thing I thought was not that Beaulieu misspoke, it was that she intentionally obfuscated the motion so that the other commissioners may mistakenly agree to it.

The biggest hurdle for them was jumped today. It should’ve been outright shot down, but now it will go to rule making where they can make whatever little tweaks necessary to keep it alive and keep pushing it through. The best case scenario at this point for us is that we end up we just a daily bag limit / possession limit that isn’t obscenely restrictive.

When Polis and his little activist husband are finally gone next year, we 100% need to go on the offensive.

I'm not in Colorado, or even in the States. But we are definitely both in the same fight together. Like you say death by 1000 cuts. There is a clear agenda to get people off of the land with zero self sufficiency and disarmed. No hunting, fishing, trapping, and no shooting is what the man behind the curtain wants. Even freedom of movement they are going at up here. And social science is one they use up here as well. We have zero transparency up here everything is done behind closed doors between the corrupt government and the corrupt indian band chiefs.

I feel for you man and hope we can turn the tide, at the end of the day they are never going to stop die hards from being in the mountains. These people are creeps though and they are not going to stop this is their job with what seems like unlimited funds from their backers.

I have been watching a little of what is going on in Colorado. Pisses me off. Like I said we got our own issues facing us up here. I heard they are trying to pass something in Oregon that bans all hunting trapping and even animal husbandry. They push for what they know they can't get, they get a little, then come back next year and move the goal post further.

 

[CoMulies]

I'm not in Colorado, or even in the States. But we are definitely both in the same fight together. Like you say death by 1000 cuts. There is a clear agenda to get people off of the land with zero self sufficiency and disarmed. No hunting, fishing, trapping, and no shooting is what the man behind the curtain wants. Even freedom of movement they are going at up here. And social science is one they use up here as well. We have zero transparency up here everything is done behind closed doors between the corrupt government and the corrupt indian band chiefs.

I feel for you man and hope we can turn the tide, at the end of the day they are never going to stop die hards from being in the mountains. These people are creeps though and they are not going to stop this is their job with what seems like unlimited funds from their backers.

I have been watching a little of what is going on in Colorado. Pisses me off. Like I said we got our own issues facing us up here. I heard they are trying to pass something in Oregon that bans all hunting trapping and even animal husbandry. They push for what they know they can't get, they get a little, then come back next year and move the goal post further.

Yea. It’s the same group of people going around the western states pushing this. It started in California, went to Washington, and now Samantha Miller is in Colorado pushing the last several initiatives.

The infuriating part is that the commission cited the “social pressure” as reason to move this forward, yet this ban was previously rejected in Denver by popular vote, and prop 127 was also resoundingly voted down by the public. The general public is not behind this, it’s the same group of noisy lunatics over and over again.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

The end of science-based wildlife management and representative governance in Colorado has been ushered in today. CPW Commission rejected the recommendation of the CPW Director and overturned the will of the people (Denver Ordinance 308) by accepting the citizen petition to ban fur sales. The commissioners openly stated their decision was values-based and rooted in social acceptance, not wildlife biology. In reality it was based on their personal values and ideology along with a small, very vocal minority. It could get much worse in the future. First the trappers, then who is next?

 

[CoMulies]

The end of science-based wildlife management and representative governance in Colorado has been ushered in today. CPW Commission rejected the recommendation of the CPW Director and overturned the will of the people (Denver Ordinance 308) by accepting the citizen petition to ban fur sales. The commissioners openly stated their decision was values-based and rooted in social acceptance, not wildlife biology. In reality it was based on their personal values and ideology along with a small, very vocal minority. It could get much worse in the future. First the trappers, then who is next?

Agree 100%, but one point of clarification. The fur sale ban has not officially passed yet, they pushed it forward to the rule making stage. CPW staff is clearly against the petition and the science supports them - we need to show up again and continue to call the commission out as the hypocrites they are. At least 2-3 of the commissioners who voted yes today voiced that they were looking for bag limits more than an outright ban.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Agree 100%, but one point of clarification. The fur sale ban has not officially passed yet, they pushed it forward to the rule making stage. CPW staff is clearly against the petition and the science supports them - we need to show up again and continue to call the commission out as the hypocrites they are. At least 2-3 of the commissioners who voted yes today voiced that they were looking for bag limits more than an outright ban.

Absolutely. It will now go through the rule making process. We def need to show up and push back on this.

 

[sshhh]

Yea. It’s the same group of people going around the western states pushing this. It started in California, went to Washington, and now Samantha Miller is in Colorado pushing the last several initiatives.

The infuriating part is that the commission cited the “social pressure” as reason to move this forward, yet this ban was previously rejected in Denver by popular vote, and prop 127 was also resoundingly voted down by the public. The general public is not behind this, it’s the same group of noisy lunatics over and over again.

They are frauds liars and corrupt, just pushing policy through

 

[Hnthrdr]

The first thing I thought was not that Beaulieu misspoke, it was that she intentionally obfuscated the motion so that the other commissioners may mistakenly agree to it.

The biggest hurdle for them was jumped today. It should’ve been outright shot down, but now it will go to rule making where they can make whatever little tweaks necessary to keep it alive and keep pushing it through. The best case scenario at this point for us is that we end up we just a daily bag limit / possession limit that isn’t obscenely restrictive.

When Polis and his little activist husband are finally gone next year, we 100% need to go on the offensive.

So we are talking bag limit on coyote, fox, bobcat? What would the possession limit even be? How can that be known? Lots and lots of issues there. If sale is now illegal of fur. What will people do with already put up furs? Or what if you make a garment or item out of said furs, then you are selling clothing or an item and not a pelt any more. I see so many holes in this insanity

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Good recap from Outdoor Life

Colorado Advances Fur Ban, Contradicting Public Opinion and Biologist Recommendations

Commissioners voted 6-4 to move forward a citizen petition that would ban the commercial sale of wildlife fur statewide.

www.outdoorlife.com

 

[CoMulies]

So we are talking bag limit on coyote, fox, bobcat? What would the possession limit even be? How can that be known? Lots and lots of issues there. If sale is now illegal of fur. What will people do with already put up furs? Or what if you make a garment or item out of said furs, then you are selling clothing or an item and not a pelt any more. I see so many holes in this insanity

These issues on enforceability were all raised by the CPW staff and were more or less ignored by Jay Tutchton. Even with the staff telling him it was not impacting populations he said “I just don’t see how that could be the case” and ignored them. His directive was that he wants to see a daily bag limit less than rabbits (10). It’s completely arbitrary and purely optics. If I remember correctly, Eden Vardy suggested that somehow CPW officers would be able to distinguish past years pelts and not count those towards a possession limit… that’s the kind of stupidity we’re dealing with here.

The only surprise to me was that Silva Blayney was actually a no vote. Her, May, and Jacober were the only ones who deferred to the biologists on what they were being told.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

The only surprise to me was that Silva Blayney was actually a no vote. Her, May, and Jacober were the only ones who deferred to the biologists on what they were being told.

They didn’t ask Sichko, OUR representative but I would have liked to know if he would bow to daddy Polis.