6 year sevice nearing end, which state?

1. Where is your family? More importantly, where is her family? This is a much bigger factor than you can see right now. Having help with kids and not having to drive 103984729 hours to see family becomes huge especially after having a couple of kids.

2. What do you plan on doing career/job wise? Will it require a bigger town/city?

3. City people? Country people? Lots of people like the romantic idea of living in some small town in the mountain states but far fewer can deal with the reality of this choice. Internet/web shopping makes it easier but it can get a little isolated. This question is especially important for your wife. Guys can generally handle it because of the outdoor opportunities but if your wife is miserable, it's not worth the trade-off.

There are more questions to consider but these come off the top of my head first.
My parents are in CA but are planning a move within the next year, though they are undecided where as of now. My father retired at Ft. Lewis right after I graduated high school and it was my brothers first and only duty station. Since they are leaving Cali I posted I have no family there as I won't by next year. My wife only has her father in her life who is in SC, but will be little if any help with our daughter as he is single and works nights for Boeing.

We don't have specific jobs in mind but are planning on getting comp lit and horticultural degrees as of now, though we are still researching other degree options.

Our military experience is/was as linguist and we've worked for NSA. So IC / govt. work is an option.

My wife thoroughly enjoys the outdoors and grew up mostly in small towns in GA.

Thanks for your input and please feel free to PM me!
 
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I was going to respond to individual messages but there are so many so I will generalize. All the input has been great and so far a lot of people are suggesting Idaho! I will definitely be researching Idaho and will discuss that option with my wife. Some great considerations have been posted many of which we have discussed at length and will continue to discuss. We have a great luxury in being able to start somewhere new and really anywhere we want and your opinions can help us take advantage, thank you all.
 
"We don't have specific jobs in mind but are planning on getting comp lit and horticultural degrees as of now, though we are still researching other degree options."

neither of those degrees are going to help you in AK. Public school teaching maybe for a comp lit degree, but you may end up in the bush villages for a few years before you can find a job back in a road side civilization. I have met two people with bio-diverisity sustainable horticulture educations and went insane with the three to four month growing season. Both fled the state after a few years of struggling with winter.

Nursing and public health are still growth industries up here. Government is still stable with no serious draw downs in DOD. Linguist? Hows your Yupik? The state and feds need help with native languages still. Trying to turn legal mumbo jumbo on ballots into a native langauge has proven to be nearly impossible resulting in lawsuits.
 
If you're thinking hoticulture, look into a crop/soil science degree. Get on as a sales rep/researcher with a seed/fertilizer/feed company. You can make some pretty good money that way.
 
Or forestry. I've met a guy several times over the past few years who is a soil expert. He basically does controlled burns when conditions are right and when it is to dry he bombs around on a motorcycle handing out tickets and putting out campfires. He's a great resource regarding current herd status and has one of the greatest jobs in America.

And I stay away from Wa. 7.5 million people is expected to balloon to 15 million in the next decade or so :(.
 
"We don't have specific jobs in mind but are planning on getting comp lit and horticultural degrees as of now, though we are still researching other degree options."

"Our military experience is/was as linguist and we've worked for NSA. So IC / govt. work is an option."

A horticultural or forestry degree, as suggested, are not going to get you good paying jobs. I have a Forestry degree and have been working in the field for the last 7 yrs. I work in Iowa, which is the highest paying state for those positions that I have found. I make around 50k, which is much more than a lot of more senior people do in the field, in other states. The Forestry Dept. here is small compared to other states though. I am guessing that with more people on the ground the pay has to be lower to afford the bodies. Same goes for the feds. Trust me I have been looking for a new place to move and can not find anything out West that will pay me what I make now, unless you are in a supervisor or higher position. You have to really like the career field to take the lower pay and deal with a lot of the politics that get involved in the field, they can keep you from doing the most simple thing that is the right thing to do for the resource.

I would go into the medical field, I am starting to look for schools to make a career change. I would suggest looking into a field that you can use the skills you were trained on in the military. Looking back, I wish I would have gone into an MOS that was more practical for civilian work. There is not much need for people that can shoot and blow things up. I gained leadership skills, but many companies are not going to just hire you because of those skills. They want people that are trained in working skills and it is hard to find someone to train you on the job anymore. Also, think long and hard on completely getting out. I know there is a lot going on with force reduction and morale right now, but at least it is a some kind of a pension, which is hard to find these days. I can not get back in, and wish I would have stayed in just for the pension.

Transitioning to Civ. life is not all peaches and roses that it seems like right now. Use all the resources that are available to you. If you are eligible get your VA disability rating. Don't take the first answer you get to a question as the right one. It usually take 3-10 phone calls and discussions to get the real answer from the VA or other services for education, job placement, etc. In a way you are lucky, things have changes a lot since I got out in '07. There are a lot more services for transitioning than there where then.

If you have any questions feel free to PM me.
 
WOW DEJAVU. I was almost in your exact place 20 yrs ago! I came from MI and spent 6 in the Navy. When I got out I really didn't want to go back to MI. Then I was stationed in WA and loved the outdoors aspect of it but didn't do much hunting as the ship would've frowned on me bringing my .06 onboard. I couldn't stand the traffic in Seattle so I moved back to the SF Bay area (Traffic really is about the same here) with my then girlfriend. I took a Year in between and went to MWSB in Augusta MT - Loved it! In hindsight I should've stayed -but no jobs for machinists. Moved back to the Bay and been here since.

There is some great advise in these post - Think about your families - a lot. When I left MI I wasn't estranged from my relatives I just wasn't very close to them so I didn't see it as a big deal to move out to CA. 20Yrs Later I've seen my nieces/nephews grow up in Pictures, Cried when I heard about my grandparent's passing, and am currently dealing with my dad and mom's failing health long distance. My wife (the "Then GF") and I now have three munchkins. Coming up with 1600$ to fly the clan to MI to visit comes rarely and the folk's failing health keeps them from coming this way. Realizing how much time has really gone by and how much I really miss/missed those relations - you can't get the time back - there are no do-overs. So really give that some thought. I heard it said once "The older we get the more we need those people that knew us when we were young." I now see the wisdom in that.

What was said about relatives helping with kids I second that. My inlaws (Who are GREAT BTW) are about 40min away and have been invaluable since the munchkins came.

I love the weather here in Ca but that's about it. (Did you know you can Ice fish in CA?) The politicians want my guns, the governor wants my$, the gang bangers want my town, and I just want to abandon ship (Who was it that was ready to jump ship too?) should my job dry up, my inlaws pass on, or I retire there will also be a shortage of air in Ca too as there will be a void created when I leave this state with haste. Let me know what you decide as I might like to be your neighbor.

Brian
 
DO NOT move to CA. Any of the other options are better. If you are looking to live the rest of your life on welfare and disability CA may work for you but if you work I would recommend not coming here.
 
Wow there have been some very insightful post and I am more than happy to take lessons from others who have had seemingly very similar experiences. I have looked more at our degree choices and potential jobs, needless to say there is much research still to be done and the wife and I are constantly evaluating our options and desires for our new family. Thank you all so much for your guidance, suggestions and concerns. Now I spoke with my wife and she is willing to look into Idaho, so that will be added to our list of research topics for this weekend. We are not considering AK, MT, or WY but thank you all for your input on those. So consensus seems to be Idaho, or Oregon. I'm surprised there hasn't been more love for Colorado.
 
This is pretty coincidental, I am normally stationed at Ft Lewis but I am here at Schofield trying to help these guys out with people getting out or the Army. Im an RCCC. Swing by and Ill talk to you about some options I know of as well as some of your options you should know about when you get out. Im in TRL 14 off Ayers. MSG Lockert
 
This is pretty coincidental, I am normally stationed at Ft Lewis but I am here at Schofield trying to help these guys out with people getting out or the Army. Im an RCCC. Swing by and Ill talk to you about some options I know of as well as some of your options you should know about when you get out. Im in TRL 14 off Ayers. MSG Lockert
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You may want to search this site for a tread on best jobs for outdoor people. I am in law enforcement and the shift work is hard on the family but when
I was single it was great for hunting
 
Thank you all for your responses, inputs and words of wisdom. We have decided either Oregon or Idaho and my wife is leaning towards Oregon... so looks like I'm leaning towards Oregon lol! As far as degrees we still have a lot of research to process and consider. Unless this new fiscal drastically changes my re-up options I will not consider re enlistment. Thanks again.
 
I was in the same boat as you, deciding between CO and WY after I separate from the USAF this sept. We decided that we will live in N. CO and I would make the commute to Cheyenne for my GS11 job and my wife can use her GI bill at CSU.

If you havent taken TAPS yet, I strongly suggest you get on it ASAP. There is a ton of great and very helpful info given out, so much that people sometimes request to come back and attend again.
 
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