6 ARC ammunition

[wabash503]

Terrible bullet choice
Those ttsx were likely caliber sized


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We recovered them and they expanded 1.8x...and were just under the hide on the offside, so they did their job and dumped all their energy in the vitals. A 223 or 6 arc at those distances would just pencil through.

 

[wabash503]

Just pondering why you are so certain that 6arc wouldn’t kill an elk, as long as the projectile is kept above the minimum recommended velocity to expand? and why you assume that impact energy must be 1500 ft/lbs or greater to kill a slab sided ungulate? A well placed, violently disrupting bullet, with more than adequate penetration > 14” will kill anything in North America… or at least that has been my experience. But bottom line, shoot what you shoot well, shoot what you shoot a lot, and shoot what makes ya happy

Because I own a 6 arc, and I know the ballistics. And at the velocity that bullet drops to at 600y it's not going to expand enough.

I think the majority of this discussion is from people who don't know and who haven't actually shot an elk...but I'm here to tell you it won't work, not with the kind of predictability and reliability you need on an elk hunt. Otherwise, you will more than likely end up just wounding the animal, or make him suffer, and the bull probably won't be recovered. And like someone mentioned early on, have more respect for the game than that...as in be more ethical than that.

There is so much more to this 600y shot than anyone promoting a 223 or 6 arc at that distance understands here on this thread.

 

[roosiebull]

There's a saying... It's better to stay quiet and be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Try to remember that next time, so you don't leave another word salad like this one.

The irony is awesome here

 

[MagnumHntr]

Why you gotta lie........ you know nothing about ballistics with this comment.

Because I own a 6 arc, and I know the ballistics. And at the velocity that bullet drops to at 600y it's not going to expand enough.

Are you saying every 6 ARC rifle out there has the exact same muzzle velocity?

 

[solarshooter]

Like I mentioned before I've seen them take 4 rounds of well place 308 TTSXs with 14-1500 ft-lbs on impact in the vitals and still keep trucking. There is no way a 223 or 6 arc, at the distances discussed is going to have better terminal performance than those 308 shots...it just won't happen. Period.

You're so close to getting it, yet so far....

You should really, really save yourself the breath and embarrassment and go scroll through the 223 and 6mm kill threads before engaging further on this topic. I'll make it really easy for you:

Post in thread '.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.'

Feb 15, 2023

Somebody around Page 140 said "No cheat sheet" but I say "Yes cheat sheet"


Page 1 thru 10: Lot of arguing, couple of pictures. Some urban legend type of stuff, I can see why somebody would abandon thread because it looks like it's going to be another 160 pages of memes and shitposts

Page 10 thru 40 though, it gets interesting with lots of pictures of dead things
Form kill pics
Many pics, pic, pic, pic, Moose scapula, 4 elk

PNWGator:
OP's wife shot a moose
A frigin moose, holy shit
I mean, if a chick can do it...

Other...

• ORJoe

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Thread '6mm /.243 hunting success on Big Game'

Oct 28, 2022

With the success of .223 and 6.5 threads on big game, thought I’d throw this one into the mix.

Show and detail your results harvesting big game (deer, bear, elk, moose, African game) using 6mm/.243 cartridges. Please detail bullet, MV, impact velocity, and whether hand load or factory ammo.

• BjornF16
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That being said, 600yds is pushing it regardless of cartridge.

 

[roosiebull]

I thought it was just going to be a boring “eldx/eldm” suggestions, and almost didn’t open the thread, but I’m glad I did, it’s a fun read

 

[Hnthrdr]

Nice man, your from Ks? Well, I can tell you the air is a tad thinner up here at 9k ft. My rifle is pushing 108 eld-m’s at 2570 so plenty of muzzle velocity to take animals as far as I would shoot comfortably… but I tend to kill my elk with pointy sticks or bullets going around 1800 fps out the gate.

No one is saying that it doesn’t take skill to shoot 400,500, 600 or more yards. Obviously it takes considerable skill and practice to do that, hence why so many on this forum are dedicated to lower cost, lower recoiling highly reliable rifle set ups…. But carry on with your massive amount of assumptions from the flatlands of Kansas…

I think it would be best if you took some time to peruse the forum and familiarize yourself with the underlying principles and philosophy here… who knows may even learn something, I sure did a few years back!

 

[HairyScandinavian]

We recovered them and they expanded 1.8x...and were just under the hide on the offside, so they did their job and dumped all their energy in the vitals. A 223 or 6 arc at those distances would just pencil through.

You have this fantasy about how terminal ballistics work and basing all your arguments upon that fantasy.

Also, apparently your TTSX didn't do the job if you had to shoot it 4 freaking times in the vitals even though you claimed it had 1600 ft lbs energy at impact. Perhaps you should upgrade to a .223 with some good fragmenting projectiles... just a suggestion if you want to kill more efficiently. Read those threads above and learn, or don't, doesn't matter to me.

 

[justinspicher]

These CAN work BUT distance and shot placement are key. Practice practice practice with whatever round you are going to use. No room for error.

Isn’t this true with any caliber/platform?

 

[Forkasauras]

We recovered them and they expanded 1.8x...and were just under the hide on the offside, so they did their job and dumped all their energy in the vitals. A 223 or 6 arc at those distances would just pencil through.

Yup, just pencils through. Especially on the off side.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Yup, just pencils through. Especially on the off side.View attachment 966801

Hmmm guess that elk armor plating isn’t all that indestructible after all… looks like a pretty square hit to the dreaded scapula

 

[roosiebull]

Yup, just pencils through. Especially on the off side.View attachment 966801

Look like you spit on that thang before ya sent it

 

[chindits]

There should be a required reading list on this site before people can post

Especially if they’re going to get cursing about beliefs of the past

 

[roosiebull]

I’m fairly certain the route I’ll go for my daughter this coming year is the seekins dmr in 6arc (18”) and a can with a swfa 3-9, and I’m also almost certain I’ll buy a second one for myself shortly after

I won’t be picky between the eldx or eldm, whichever seems to shoot better will be the bullet, because it surely won’t matter for her use (or mine)

 

[wabash503]

Yup, just pencils through. Especially on the off side.View attachment 966801

That wasn't 600y.

 

[wabash503]

There should be a required reading list on this site before people can post

Especially if they’re going to get cursing about beliefs of the past

It's not a belief of the past... It's proven data dude. But you think you're smarter than every ballistician making ammo, along 99.9% of ethical hunters.

Me and 998 others guys out of 1000 disagree with you.

 

[bowrunner81]

This is entertaining. I’d like to help, but I don’t have the energy

 

[wabash503]

Alright, let’s cut through the crap here. Some of you are acting like it’s totally reasonable to lob a 6 ARC or 223 at an elk at 600 yards and call it “ethical.” That’s ridiculous. That’s not “confidence,” that’s ego and ignorance.

1. Let’s talk impact energy.
At 600 yards you’re running on fumes. You’re way under what’s widely considered the minimum for elk-sized game. And don’t start with the “energy doesn’t kill” garbage — if your bullet doesn’t have the horsepower to actually penetrate and wreck vitals, it’s a wounding shot waiting to happen. Period.

2. “Perfect shot placement” at 600 yards? Give me a break.
You’re not shooting a calm, broadside silhouette target on a bench. You’ve got wind, angle, light, heartbeat, breathing, animal movement, and a cartridge that’s already struggling. That margin of error is microscopic. But hey, I guess as long as you’ve got your internet warrior confidence, it’ll all work out, right?

3. This is about ethics — not your pride.
If you’re okay with the very real possibility of punching a hole in an elk that doesn’t kill it clean and you can’t recover it, then just say that. At least be honest about what you’re willing to risk to make your “look what I did with my lightweight rifle” shot.
A wounded elk wandering off to die slow or get eaten alive by coyotes isn’t a “success.” It’s failure. Full stop.

4. Don’t act like this is new information.
There are piles of threads, stories, and real hunts showing exactly what happens when guys push these little cartridges past their limits: wounded elk, lost elk, and long tracking jobs. People can pretend that doesn’t exist, but the evidence is there all over the place.

5. If you’re serious about being ethical — pick a tool that gives you margin, not a prayer.
There are plenty of light recoiling rifles that carry real killing power at distance. If you want to shoot elk past 400, run something with actual authority. If you insist on stretching a 6 ARC or 223 to 600 on elk, just call it what it is: selfish, sloppy, and irresponsible.

Bottom line:
If you can’t show consistent, real-world elk kills at 500–600 yards with this cartridge — not theory, not charts — then stop pretending this is a reasonable, ethical move. It’s not.

 

[amassi]

The gift that keeps on giving
I’m starting to think this is a bot being fed fudlore and trying to rage bait a forum to enhance its LLM


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[bowrunner81]

It's not a belief of the past... It's proven data dude. But you think you're smarter than every ballistician making ammo, along 99.9% of ethical hunters.

Me and 998 others guys out of 1000 disagree with you.

I’m going to try to explain a few things, but I’m not going get in an argument. A lot of people have way more experience than me, but I know the basics.

Hunting bullets can be out in 3 types of bullets each with distinctly different performances.

All copper bullets - start upsetting or “mushrooming” and continue doing that through the animal with the widest bullet being at the end of the animal. The bullet stays together and really only wounds what is really close to the line the bullet travels. Everything being equal, they kill slow because they do not damage much tissue.

Bonded bullets - upset more and wound more tissue than all copper bullets. They lose some of their material as the bullet upsets, thus damaging more tissue out of the bullet path.

Cup and core bullets - damage much more tissue because they break apart significantly and damage tissue much further from the path of the bullet.

A 6mm bullet that is an all copper bullet might make wound through the animal the side of a quarter in diameter whereas a 6mm bullet that is a cup and core bullet (eldm eldx) could make a wound the diameter of a softball.

When people say energy is irrelevant, they are correct. Bullet manufacturers publish minimum impact velocities that correspond with what they consider adequate upset or “ “mushrooming”. It’s not consistent across manufacturers so a Barnes TTSX at its minimum impact velocity of 2000 fps or whatever they say may barely peal pack the tip and create a nickel size hole, whereas an ELDX at 2000fps may make a softball size wound.

Also, the energy is irrelevant because the only thing that matters is what velocity the bullet hits the animal. A 7mm 175gr ELDX will not have a wound that is 1.7x the size of a 6mm 103gr ELDX if impact velocity was the same, yet it will have 1.7x the energy since KE= 1/2MV^2 Mass is directly proportional to the increase in KE, yet the wound is nowhere near 1.7x the size.

That’s all I got

Edit - there are thousands of photos of kills showing all of this. Please take the time to read it. This isn’t an insult or me fighting, it’s a suggestion to understand the other side of your argument better. If you still disagree that is totally up to you.