6.5 creed vs 30-06

[cuttingedge]

30-06 if you want them to drop. 6.5 Creedmoor if you just enjoy tracking.

 

[fwafwow]

I guess headstamps do matter?

 

[kboatman107]

30-06 if you want them to drop. 6.5 Creedmoor if you just enjoy tracking.

Watched 2 mule deer, an elk and a sheep this year all die to the 6.5 all within sight

 

[cuttingedge]

Watched 2 mule deer, an elk and a sheep this year all die to the 6.5 all within sight

Heck, when I shoot em with a rage broadhead out of my bow I watch em drop within sight.

Every deer I have ever shot with a 30-06 in over 4 decades has done the bang-plop drop. Shoot. Drop. Zero steps taken.

I took my .308 if I didn't mind a bit of tracking. True story.

There are a lot of guns that will kill animals. There are some that will kill them ethically. I choose ethics over caliber popularity.

 

[mt100gr.]

Heck, when I shoot em with a rage broadhead out of my bow I watch em drop within sight.

Every deer I have ever shot with a 30-06 in over 4 decades has done the bang-plop drop. Shoot. Drop. Zero steps taken.

I took my .308 if I didn't mind a bit of tracking. True story.

There are a lot of guns that will kill animals. There are some that will kill them ethically. I choose ethics over caliber popularity.

What bullet in the -06?

And have you read the .223 thread? In it's entirety?

It's interesting to me, because I grew up hunting with a 30-06. Some dropped, some needed short tracking, some longer. I've since killed deer, antelope, sheep and elk with a variety of cartridges (and broadheads) in a variety of calibers and bullet weights and seen the EXACT same results....in fact, the 3 bucks that my young daughter has killed with her .223 have died in sight.....as in took only a few steps! So, do you really believe that it's the cartridge and it's "oomph" or the bullets used?

 

[TxxAgg]

Heck, when I shoot em with a rage broadhead out of my bow I watch em drop within sight.

Every deer I have ever shot with a 30-06 in over 4 decades has done the bang-plop drop. Shoot. Drop. Zero steps taken.

I took my .308 if I didn't mind a bit of tracking. True story.

There are a lot of guns that will kill animals. There are some that will kill them ethically. I choose ethics over caliber popularity.

Hahaha ethics and rage broadheads in the same response.

 

[fwafwow]

Hahaha ethics and rage broadheads in the same response.

I had the same thought - not about Rage, but the implication that broadheads are ethical but a popular rifle cartridge is not.

 

[cuttingedge]

What bullet in the -06?

And have you read the .223 thread? In it's entirety?

It's interesting to me, because I grew up hunting with a 30-06. Some dropped, some needed short tracking, some longer. I've since killed deer, antelope, sheep and elk with a variety of cartridges (and broadheads) in a variety of calibers and bullet weights and seen the EXACT same results....in fact, the 3 bucks that my young daughter has killed with her .223 have died in sight.....as in took only a few steps! So, do you really believe that it's the cartridge and it's "oomph" or the bullets used?

I'm only here for the fun if it. I am just conveying my experiences and opinions based on a lot of deer killing. In the 06 I used some 165 grain loads my brother made up, and 150 grain cheapo Remington CoreLokt.

Now I'm a decent shot with a rifle, but I shot one left handed when I was younger and "stupider" at about 100 yards freehand. Dropped it like a rock. When I went to recover it, I had made a terrible shot in the flank, and I am not proud of that, but, it hit the dirt right where it stood.

Maybe I have just been lucky? I dunno, but if I could only have one rifle it would not be a 6.5 CM. The 06 would likely get the nod in a very short list of calibers.

To me, being older and having killed far more whitetails than I could ever possibly remember, the killing is the least enjoyable part of the hunt. If I choose to kill, I want it to be as immediate as it can be. In my history of hunting, the 30-06 has been the most immediately lethal of any other caliber I have used. Better than 270, 308, 300WM, 25-06... Some of it may have been projectile ignorance, but that same ignorance applies to the 30-06 as well.

I can't force anyone to practice ethics, but I can share my knowledge after decades of hunting. If I can talk one person into putting more thought into ethically harvesting game, I can live with that.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Please explain how the 30/06 is better at killing than the 300 win mag.

 

[cuttingedge]

Hahaha ethics and rage broadheads in the same response.

Yes. Maybe your shot placement isn't as good as mine, but every deer I have ever shot with a Rage has either dropped on the spot or fell with 50 yards.

I have been shooting deer with a bow for 40 plus years. Many with fixed before mechanical broadheads were introduced. Just about any decent well placed broadhead will kill a deer pretty quickly, but creating a wound that looks like a hatchet strike on both sides kills faster. And, I have never experienced a "Rage" failure. In fact, I have never had any mechanical or hybrid broadhead fail to do what it was supposed to do. I have never failed to recover a deer shot with a mechanical head. But, I am very particular with my equipment, to include the broadheads.

You can share your failures if you wish, and maybe we can be better educated though them.

 

[cuttingedge]

Please explain how the 30/06 is better at killing than the 300 win mag.

Well, I shot an 8 point from about 35 yards with one of my 300 WM's several years ago. He acted like nothing happened and kept walking. I shot again and he started trotting. I shot again and he ran. I honestly thought I missed him. I got on his trail and there was very little blood. My brother in law brought his pups down and they tracked it maybe 100 yards. I was so disgusted with the possibility of losing that deer I sat on a log where the dogs lost trail and was just beating myself up mentally. After a while buzzards started circling and I found the deer about 150 yards away. He had taken 3 shots to the vitals and made it that far.

The bullets just zipped right through without much expansion. I am certain it was the bullet type that was the issue. A friend and I loaded some 165 grain ballistic tips and the next deer I shot was from 11 yards and was dead right there.

I have never experienced that with the 30-06, no matter what projectile was on the front of the round.

You don't have to believe what I say. No sweat here. Just my experiences shared to the masses. I am not an expert. I am just a hunter. I love 300WM. I would own another one in a heartbeat. For the hunting I do nowadays, the 30-06 would do a fine job. I am confident in saying that.

 

[mt100gr.]

I'm only here for the fun if it. I am just conveying my experiences and opinions based on a lot of deer killing. In the 06 I used some 165 grain loads my brother made up, and 150 grain cheapo Remington CoreLokt.

Now I'm a decent shot with a rifle, but I shot one left handed when I was younger and "stupider" at about 100 yards freehand. Dropped it like a rock. When I went to recover it, I had made a terrible shot in the flank, and I am not proud of that, but, it hit the dirt right where it stood.

Maybe I have just been lucky? I dunno, but if I could only have one rifle it would not be a 6.5 CM. The 06 would likely get the nod in a very short list of calibers.

To me, being older and having killed far more whitetails than I could ever possibly remember, the killing is the least enjoyable part of the hunt. If I choose to kill, I want it to be as immediate as it can be. In my history of hunting, the 30-06 has been the most immediately lethal of any other caliber I have used. Better than 270, 308, 300WM, 25-06... Some of it may have been projectile ignorance, but that same ignorance applies to the 30-06 as well.

I can't force anyone to practice ethics, but I can share my knowledge after decades of hunting. If I can talk one person into putting more thought into ethically harvesting game, I can live with that.

I'm here for the fun of it, too! And have learned a remarkable amount along the way.

I can tell you with conviction that centerfire rifles are much more similar than different. And with proper bullet selection, even .22 cal centerfire rifles are equally "ethical" in their ability to kill quickly. Oftentimes, when driven by a practiced and competent shooter, the smaller calibers are more effective. Food for thought, obviously, I can't force anyone to do anything. But if you haven't at least perused the .223, 6mm or 6.5 threads I'd strongly recommend them....and maybe we can be better educated, etc.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Well, I shot an 8 point from about 35 yards with one of my 300 WM's several years ago. He acted like nothing happened and kept walking. I shot again and he started trotting. I shot again and he ran. I honestly thought I missed him. I got on his trail and there was very little blood. My brother in law brought his pups down and they tracked it maybe 100 yards. I was so disgusted with the possibility of losing that deer I sat on a log where the dogs lost trail and was just beating myself up mentally. After a while buzzards started circling and I found the deer about 150 yards away. He had taken 3 shots to the vitals and made it that far.

The bullets just zipped right through without much expansion. I am certain it was the bullet type that was the issue. A friend and I loaded some 165 grain ballistic tips and the next deer I shot was from 11 yards and was dead right there.

I have never experienced that with the 30-06, no matter what projectile was on the front of the round.

You don't have to believe what I say. No sweat here. Just my experiences shared to the masses. I am not an expert. I am just a hunter. I love 300WM. I would own another one in a heartbeat. For the hunting I do nowadays, the 30-06 would do a fine job. I am confident in saying that.

So you're certain the bullet type was the issue, but 30-06 is still better and I guess you don't think it would have the same issue with the same bullet?

You literally can't make this shit up. This is beyond stubborn beliefs.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Wwll the 30/06 is pure freaking magic I guess. Gotta be the headstamp.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Wwll the 30/06 is pure freaking magic I guess. Gotta be the headstamp.

30-06 is a fine chambering and great all around choice but the “muh thutty awt siyx” crowd is a special breed. Probably the most fudd round of all time.

 

[gerry35]

30-06 is a fine chambering and great all around choice but the “muh thutty awt siyx” crowd is a special breed. Probably the most fudd round of all time.

The 223 and 6.5 crowd are just the same. Everyone has their favorites.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

The 223 and 6.5 crowd are just the same. Everyone has their favorites.

Believe it or not some of us can be unbiased. But no, the 223 and 6.5 fanboys are nothing like the 30-06 fudds.

 

[gerry35]

Sure some can but reading some of the 223 stuff it sure sounds a bit cultish. Like the guy who has never even seen a grizzly but thinks its a good idea to go for one with a 223. For the record it can do it but if you ever jump one stopping an angry bear is tough.

 

[kboatman107]

Heck, when I shoot em with a rage broadhead out of my bow I watch em drop within sight.

Every deer I have ever shot with a 30-06 in over 4 decades has done the bang-plop drop. Shoot. Drop. Zero steps taken.

I took my .308 if I didn't mind a bit of tracking. True story.

There are a lot of guns that will kill animals. There are some that will kill them ethically. I choose ethics over caliber popularity.

Well one deer took one step and fell, one deer went maybe 20 yards, the elk went 3 steps at most and the sheep fell on the spot. So I’ll take those tracking jobs any day.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Sure some can but reading some of the 223 stuff it sure sounds a bit cultish. Like the guy who has never even seen a grizzly but thinks its a good idea to go for one with a 223. For the record it can do it but if you ever jump one stopping an angry bear is tough.

Well it’s the internet so at best you can only expect 1/10 people to not be retarded.