.480 Ruger - Why didn’t it catch on?

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Looking into handgun calibers for hunting and bear defense and the .480 Ruger just seems absolutely perfect for most everything while still being relatively controllable.

Why is it not more successful?
 
From years of reading Rokslide. I can only deduce the answer could/would be:

1. 'Cause only "Fudds" shoot calibers bigger than 0.264".

2. 'Cause "real" men get it done with .22x-.24x calibers.

3. "Cause everyone knows all you REALLY need for bears is a 9mm!

🙄
 
Lol, That said, I always found it an intriguing cartridge with limited components and platforms compared to the .44 & .45 options.
 
Looking into handgun calibers for hunting and bear defense and the .480 Ruger just seems absolutely perfect for most everything while still being relatively controllable.

Why is it not more successful?

What makes it “absolutely perfect for almost everything?”

It sounds like a very niche cartridge for someone who wants to hunt with a handgun. Which is itself a bit of a stunt.

As for the self-defense piece…
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It is a very good cartridge, of the real big bores it is the easiest to manage and shoot in a revolver of normal weight and size.

But as Bill Jordan said way back in the 60’s, the 38 special, I’d include the 9mm today, is about the largest handgun cartridge the average guy can master without serious dedication. The bigger stuff takes very deliberate practice to ever be good with and I’d even say there’s an added layer at the 10mm-44mag level and the 480,454,475 etc are a step above that.

Coupled with the fact that handgun hunting isn’t as popular as it were back in the 70’s and 80’s. It’s a specialty cartridge and its special niche/market is growing smaller.
 
From years of reading Rokslide. I can only deduce the answer coukd/would be:

1. 'Cause only "Fudds" shoot calibers bigger than 0.264".

2. 'Cause "real" men get it done with .22x-.24x calibers.

3. "Cause everyone knows all you REALLY need for bears is a 9mm!

🙄
Waiting for one of the clowns here to recommend a 22lr pistol for bear defense…
 
What makes it “absolutely perfect for almost everything?”

It sounds like a very niche cartridge for someone who wants to hunt with a handgun. Which is itself a bit of a stunt.

As for the self-defense piece…
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I don’t recall referring to the .480 as a self defense caliber, but it would do the job substantially better than most handgun calibers!
 
You said it was good for bear defense. That’s a form of self-defense.
You’re being facetious. Everyone knows that self-defense most always refers to human on human altercations.

Either way, it would do much better in that category than most. Maybe even better than the .223 ;)
 
I grew up reading Elmer Keith and Ross Seyfried, and became infatuated with handgun hunting when I was younger. I hunted exclusively with revolvers for a couple years, but only used the 44 with LBT bullets. Now I do have a 480 Magnum Research, and wish that I would've had it back then. It is an easy cartridge to load and very pleasant to shoot. That particular revolver shoots phenomenally.
 
I grew up reading Elmer Keith and Ross Seyfried, and became infatuated with handgun hunting when I was younger. I hunted exclusively with revolvers for a couple years, but only used the 44 with LBT bullets. Now I do have a 480 Magnum Research, and wish that I would've had it back then. It is an easy cartridge to load and very pleasant to shoot. That particular revolver shoots phenomenally.
Ross Seyfried was really into the .475L.
I have been thinking about the Mag. Research .475/480 Ruger. It seems to be just right if you want to use
cast bullets.
 
Looking into handgun calibers for hunting and bear defense and the .480 Ruger just seems absolutely perfect for most everything while still being relatively controllable.

Why is it not more successful?
Because it's not absolutely perfect. It's ridiculously overpowered.

The ideal big game revolver caliber is somewhere in the .41 Magnum to .45 Colt (Ruger Blackhawk level). I chose a .45 Colt (Ruger Bisley) and a couple years into that experience I wished I'd got a .41 instead.

Reality is, handguns are generally going to kill best when thought of, and employed, as glorified hole punchers, and a .41 caliber soft point or not-so-hard cast lead bullet, will punch a perfectly suitable hole in any big game animal, and allow its blood pressure to drop really quickly. And you'll be far more likely to put that bullet where it needs to go, with a .41 or .44 or .45Colt, even with little more than blackpowder level loads, than with a much harder kicking caliber.

Frankly a ~210 or 220 grain .41 or a 240-260 grain .44 or a 250-280 grain .45 bullet, with a decently wide meplat (~72% of bore diameter is close to optimum; larger meplats don't fly well at longer ranges and yes I'm speaking from experience) or even a basic jacketed soft point design or a Hornady XTP, at 1000' to 1200' MV, and no more, will *EASILY* ventilate the typical North American game animal with a big leaky hole. Said animal will then run 20-100 yards and fall dead.

Now, you absolutely can get a revolver (.460S&W for example) that will push a big handgun bullet well up into the good rifle-bullet-killing speed range and yeah, they'll kill like lightning. Like rifles. But you end up needing a halfway specialized handgun to do that, mainly because handguns are hard to shoot well past maybe 50 yards for most of us. When I had better eyesight 100 yards with a revolver was easy. Now, 25 yards is about tops, and I don't hunt with a handgun anymore. If it's something you want to do, do it while your eyes are young.

Everyone here knows the importance of low recoil for rifle practice. I'd argue that it's even more important with handguns, than rifles. Yes, shooting big boomers is fun. Been there done that, got the big goofy smile on my face. But if you want to get good with a revolver, you need practice, and lower recoil helps, and in a defensive situation where you're using something small enough to be easily carried, lower recoil helps with followup shots for sure.

I won't say anything about 9mms for bear defense except to say that's what I carry personally, for bear defense, in places with *black* bears, and I've only been in western grizzly country one time and still carried a 9mm. My intent here isn't to get into that discussion. I'm speaking of revolver cartridges for dual use as both hunting handguns at revolver ranges, and also with a secondary role as defense. Yes, certainly you can take bigger calibers and turn them into longer-range killers, or get fast followup shots with a 9mm, but for the dual-role scenario you mention, the smaller .4x calibers with moderate bullet weights at moderate speeds, kill well enough, and are easy to shoot.

Something like a S&W 657 classic with a 4" to 5" barrel would be ideal for defensive carry, IMO, if you wanted it to double as a hunting handgun. If I wanted a hunting revolver to double for bear defense (same dual role, but reversed emphasis), I'd do the same, but with a 6" to 6.5" barrel instead.

FWIW I've shot a lot of Hornady XTPs and they penetrate very deeply at 1000' to 1200' impact speed but will expand violently once you get them up to maybe 1700'+, which I used to do often with a muzzleloader. On smaller deer at those 1000' to 1200' speeds you might consider Speer Gold Dots if you wanted more expansion but I've always ran under the 'glorified hole puncher' theory of handgun hunting.
 
Bill Jordan said way back in the 60’s, the 38 special, I’d include the 9mm today, is about the largest handgun cartridge the average guy can master without serious dedication. The bigger stuff takes very deliberate practice to ever be good with and I’d even say there’s an added layer at the 10mm-44mag level and the 480,454,475 etc are a step above that.

Coupled with the fact that handgun hunting isn’t as popular as it were back in the 70’s and 80’s. It’s a specialty cartridge and its special niche/market is growing smaller.
Absolutely spot on.
 
Waiting for one of the clowns here to recommend a 22lr pistol for bear defense…

After having a Smith 69 as my first wheel gun I'd definitely rather have a 22

Honestly thinking about buying a Smith 5.7...

I am planning on buying my daughter a chest holster and some Federal Punch ammo so she can carry the 22 this fall. Got late WT buck tags for the in-laws on the prairie. Last year they had a hunter get charged.
A mag dump of 22 is far more effective than bear mace when the wind is blowing 25 mph
 
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