257 Roberts… pretty sure it’s junk, but….

[Panhandler80]

Probably 1960s. Out of closet along with 7-8 other rusted up clunkers.

Still curious about mfg. all I can find is this one makers mark.

Bolt frozen up…. Which of course could be result of these screws. No idea why they in there.

 

[sierracharlie338]

I have so many questions but that mark kinda looks like the Ruger logo but could be anything. Curious to see if you can ID it.

 

[robtattoo]

It would help to pull the action from the stock & maybe remove the scope mounts. Most of Mausers are stamped underneath, behind the front recoil lug (it's a Mauser action, by the way. I'm strongly leaning towards it originally being an Arisaka variant, judging from the cocking piece) Does the bolt handle have an egg-shaped/long vertical oval knob?

Photos from the right side would help ID immensely.

I'd bet hard money that the modern screws are filling holes from an old side mount & if they're too long, yep, they'd lock the bolt up.

 

[robtattoo]

HotDAMN I'm good!

Yeah, it's a type 99 Arisaka.

 

[sierracharlie338]

HotDAMN I'm good!

Yeah, it's a type 99 Arisaka.

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Nicely done.

 

[Panhandler80]

It would help to pull the action from the stock & maybe remove the scope mounts. Most of Mausers are stamped underneath, behind the front recoil lug (it's a Mauser action, by the way. I'm strongly leaning towards it originally being an Arisaka variant, judging from the cocking piece) Does the bolt handle have an egg-shaped/long vertical oval knob?

Photos from the right side would help ID immensely.

I'd bet hard money that the modern screws are filling holes from an old side mount & if they're too long, yep, they'd lock the bolt up.

Starboard side.

I appreciate all of y’all’s information. It seems like a good gun for my boy as a first Whitetail weapon.

No idea why those modern screws are in there. Anyway, I’ll keep researching thank y’all.

 

[Panhandler80]

What in the world do y’all think those screws are for? I can’t for the life of me. Figure out why that was done.

 

[go_deep]

Are the screws a way to "lock" the bolt? Kind of like a safety mechanism?

 

[RockAndSage]

Those screws might have been for a different kind of scope mount.

OP, be very wary of labeling any of that stuff junk. More than a few sporterized bring-backs from Germany and Japan were built into absolute tack-drivers by the best gunsmiths of the era - some can simply be great, solid guns, and some may be worth some good money. That scope, for instance...

 

[Nightstandx]

i think the screws is holding it together, taking it off will affect the reload.

 

[robtattoo]

Those screws might have been for a different kind of scope mount.

OP, be very wary of labeling any of that stuff junk. More than a few sporterized bring-backs from Germany and Japan were built into absolute tack-drivers by the best gunsmiths of the era - some can simply be great, solid guns, and some may be worth some good money. That scope, for instance...

The screws are 100% for an old, side mount scope. Unless they were filled into the bolt to render it inert. Unscrew em & have a look...

Speaking of the scope, R&S is dead on the money. For someone to have installed that quality of (Malcolm? Unertl?) scope on a varmint rifle, you can bet good money it was a track driver in its day. That scope & external adjusting mounts are probably worth more than everything else that was in the safe.

Remove the scope & mounts. CAREFULLY.
Get the barreled action out of the stock & give the entire thing a 4 day soak in kerosene or diesel to free up the action.

Then get on the Mauser section of 24hr Campfire & those guys will tell you how to strip it right down to clean (it's not at all difficult) Type 99s are common & comparatively inexpensive, so spare parts are abundant. It's definitely worth resurrecting.

 

[Panhandler80]

The screws are 100% for an old, side mount scope. Unless they were filled into the bolt to render it inert. Unscrew em & have a look...

Speaking of the scope, R&S is dead on the money. For someone to have installed that quality of (Malcolm? Unertl?) scope on a varmint rifle, you can bet good money it was a track driver in its day. That scope & external adjusting mounts are probably worth more than everything else that was in the safe.

Remove the scope & mounts. CAREFULLY.
Get the barreled action out of the stock & give the entire thing a 4 day soak in kerosene or diesel to free up the action.

Then get on the Mauser section of 24hr Campfire & those guys will tell you how to strip it right down to clean (it's not at all difficult) Type 99s are common & comparatively inexpensive, so spare parts are abundant. It's definitely worth resurrecting.

Will back out screws and see if I can throw bolt.

Also have this one from same same. Rem 222 with fully function bolt and trigger. Seems a bit newer. Sako Finland.

Also got a single shot .410, a functioning A5 (imagine that… hahaha),some pellet guns, and a 22.

 

[Panhandler80]

Single shot Winchester 22 short.

The beat up, A5

Amd a bolt action .410 with a tube that is in absolutely horrible shape.

 

[ChrisAU]

I wonder if the screws were to brick it for import maybe?

 

[Panhandler80]

I wonder if the screws were to brick it for import maybe?

K. Been busy. About to back these screws out.

 

[Tmac]

There were plenty of those converted to 6.5x257. I think to make one an actual 257 Roberts it would need to have been rebarreled. Might be a good idea to verify the barrel diameter if not actually cast the chamber.

 

[robtattoo]

I just came back to suggest the exact same thing.

Also, FYI: depending on the magnification, overall condition & clarity, those Unertl Vernier scopes are generally worth $1000-1800.

Be effing careful with it!

 

[Nine Banger]

My buddy inherited a Browning humpback like that one with the wee front bead and it was from 1934.

Serial Number checklists are online.

 

[RockAndSage]

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The beat up, A5

Amd a bolt action .410 with a tube that is in absolutely horrible shape.

Man, you keep turning up diamonds in the rough.

That Browning? It was made in the first 5 or 6 years of manufacture, before 1909. That safety inside the triggerguard is the giveaway. They went to a different design, still in the guard, but further forward until the 1950s. That's a rare gun man.

Also, it may look rough as hell, but google Turnbull Restoration, if you aren't interested in keeping it in that original-used/worn condition.

 

[Panhandler80]

There were plenty of those converted to 6.5x257. I think to make one an actual 257 Roberts it would need to have been rebarreled. Might be a good idea to verify the barrel diameter if not actually cast the chamber.

Hmmm. Well, there's a .257 stamp on it.

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