.25 Cal (Quarter Bore) / Big Game Success - 25 Creed, 25-284, 25-06, 25 PRC, 25 SAUM

[gerry35]

My youngest boys first Bull.


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He made a perfect shot, congratulations!

 

[fshaw]

So freaking awesome man congrats to you both!

Awesome bull, especially so for a first.

 

[ramsdude47]

Does anyone know if a 25 Creed will feed reliably in a standard long action with internal mag / floorplate (25-06)

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

Does anyone know if a 25 Creed will feed reliably in a standard long action with internal mag / floorplate (25-06)

Form mentioned that in these types of scenarios you just gotta shove the cartridges back in the internal magazine. Never done it myself.

 

[Landsandgrooves]

My mother’s “.25 Roberts.” At least, that’s what’s stamped on the barrel. A custom rifle made in the late ‘40s or early ‘50s. It was the first centerfire rifle I fired. I’ve always had a soft spot for the .257 Roberts. Now down to only two, since I gave Mom’s rifle to my son.

 

[sierracharlie338]

My mother’s “.25 Roberts.” At least, that’s what’s stamped on the barrel. A custom rifle made in the late ‘40s or early ‘50s. It was the first centerfire rifle I fired. I’ve always had a soft spot for the .257 Roberts. Now down to only two, since I gave Mom’s rifle to my son.

That is a beautiful piece. Do you know any details about the rifle specs or builder?

 

[Landsandgrooves]

It was made by a gunsmith named Morton. Dad bought it used, but he tracked down the maker and wrote to him to get more info. Dad desvribed the rifle, including the white plastic foreend tip. Morton wrote back with details, including that the tip isn’t plastic. It’s ivory. . Beautiful curly maple stock.

 

[sierracharlie338]

Beautiful indeed

 

[SloppyJ]

Let's say one had a Model 70 supergrade 30-06 they were rebarreling. What would be the prime 25cal to look at? Don't care about factory ammo availability and would like to keep recoil low so my son can move into it which I don't think would be a problem with any of them. I'd prefer not to fireform brass though.

What's pushed me here is that I have a nice .308 and I'm finishing up a 300prc. I see no reason to keep the 30-06 chambering between the two cartridges I already shoot that either can cover.

I was planning on building a 6CM but having that beautiful maple stock and deep blued action just sit in the safe seems like a sin. The obvious answer is 25-06.

 

[EVO6]

Black Friday got the best of me. Placed an order for a 20” carbon 7 twist PBB chambered in 25SST.
Peak 44 Bastion stock
Titanium Lil chub brake

Throwing that on a defiance AnTi with a trigger tech special.

Excited to see what this rifle can do.

 

[sierracharlie338]

Let's say one had a Model 70 supergrade 30-06 they were rebarreling. What would be the prime 25cal to look at? Don't care about factory ammo availability and would like to keep recoil low so my son can move into it which I don't think would be a problem with any of them. I'd prefer not to fireform brass though.

What's pushed me here is that I have a nice .308 and I'm finishing up a 300prc. I see no reason to keep the 30-06 chambering between the two cartridges I already shoot that either can cover.

I was planning on building a 6CM but having that beautiful maple stock and deep blued action just sit in the safe seems like a sin. The obvious answer is 25-06.

Yeah I’d easy that’s the easy button with a fast twist barrel and some of the heavies will give y’all a wide range of options.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

Let's say one had a Model 70 supergrade 30-06 they were rebarreling. What would be the prime 25cal to look at? Don't care about factory ammo availability and would like to keep recoil low so my son can move into it which I don't think would be a problem with any of them. I'd prefer not to fireform brass though.

What's pushed me here is that I have a nice .308 and I'm finishing up a 300prc. I see no reason to keep the 30-06 chambering between the two cartridges I already shoot that either can cover.

I was planning on building a 6CM but having that beautiful maple stock and deep blued action just sit in the safe seems like a sin. The obvious answer is 25-06.

If you want to stick to .25, I recommend .25-06AI or 25 Creed.

The 06AI gets you a smidge more capacity than standard, but the greatest benefit is reduced case trimming and longer case life. However, you will need to either fire form or buy a fl .25-06AI sizing die for brass and quality brass can be difficult to locate. Another benefit is you can still shoot factory .25-06 ammo in an 06AI chamber accurately, and the fired brass is immediately fire formed. One other downside is you still need a 24-26” barrel for optimum velocity.

The 25 Creed on the other hand is significantly more efficient with its short and fat case. It can reach 2900-3000 fps with the 133-135 grain bullets while burning roughly 25% less powder than a standard or -06AI. This means less powder, less muzzle blast, less recoil, and improved barrel life. Moreover, this efficiency enables a guy to run a 25 Creed suppressed, further reducing blast and recoil.

In any case, to shoot any .25 caliber over 120 grains, you’ll need a fast twist barrel in 1:7.5-1:8. I’ve been working with the guys at Preferred Barrels, and their customer service is super. If you send them a dummy round, they will adjust the chamber for whatever amount of jump you’re looking for. A new prefit, depending on options, will run $420-$600+

Edit: attaching load data from Berger for the AI and the Creed

 

[SloppyJ]

If you want to stick to .25, I recommend .25-06AI or 25 Creed.

The 06AI gets you a smidge more capacity than standard, but the greatest benefit is reduced case trimming and longer case life. However, you will need to either fire form or buy a fl .25-06AI sizing die for brass and quality brass can be difficult to locate. Another benefit is you can still shoot factory .25-06 ammo in an 06AI chamber accurately, and the fired brass is immediately fire formed. One other downside is you still need a 24-26” barrel for optimum velocity.

The 25 Creed on the other hand is significantly more efficient with its short and fat case. It can reach 2900-3000 fps with the 133-135 grain bullets while burning roughly 25% less powder than a standard or -06AI. This means less powder, less muzzle blast, less recoil, and improved barrel life. Moreover, this efficiency enables a guy to run a 25 Creed suppressed, further reducing blast and recoil.

In any case, to shoot any .25 caliber over 120 grains, you’ll need a fast twist barrel in 1:7.5-1:8. I’ve been working with the guys at Preferred Barrels, and their customer service is super. If you send them a dummy round, they will adjust the chamber for whatever amount of jump you’re looking for. A new prefit, depending on options, will run $420-$600+

Edit: attaching load data from Berger for the AI and the Creed

Thank you for all of that information. I'd gravitate towards the 25 creed due to the barrel length for suppressor use. I will dig into the numbers and take a look. Since getting my 280ai I've started to really appreciate cartridge efficiency.

 

[BigNate]

I got over 250 once-fired .30-06 cases and my brother has another couple hundred he's going to "donate". I also already have the .25-06 dies, so probably going to go with what I have "in stock".

.270Win can be run to .25 in one pass without neck issues in most chambers.

 

[FLS]

#5 for the 25-06 this year. 115 VLD over H1000 out of a 24” Bartlein barreled 700.
338yds slightly quartering away. Hit mid ribs angled foreword exiting back of offside shoulder. Shredded vitals. Took a few staggering steps then went down. Sorry for the shitty tailgate pic.

 

[cbuck516]

Took a hefty cow elk with my 25-06AI and the badlands SBD-2 110gr recently.
Full write up of the technical details and amateur autopsy photos can be found over on LRH forum.
Post in thread 'Badlands Precision Bullets thread - From BC to terminal ballistics'
https://www.longrangehunting.com/th...bc-to-terminal-ballistics.245696/post-2960338

 

[sierracharlie338]

Took a hefty cow elk with my 25-06AI and the badlands SBD-2 110gr recently.View attachment 644851
Full write up of the technical details and amateur autopsy photos can be found over on LRH forum.
Post in thread 'Badlands Precision Bullets thread - From BC to terminal ballistics'
https://www.longrangehunting.com/th...bc-to-terminal-ballistics.245696/post-2960338

Definitely looks like a hefty cow. Congrats

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

Took a hefty cow elk with my 25-06AI and the badlands SBD-2 110gr recently.View attachment 644851
Full write up of the technical details and amateur autopsy photos can be found over on LRH forum.
Post in thread 'Badlands Precision Bullets thread - From BC to terminal ballistics'
https://www.longrangehunting.com/th...bc-to-terminal-ballistics.245696/post-2960338

Well done, and can you please share your rifle and load details? 3,500 MV is cooking for a 110 out of a 26" tube.

 

[cbuck516]

Well done, and can you please share your rifle and load details? 3,500 MV is cooking for a 110 out of a 26" tube.

Rifle was Howa 1500 LA with PBB 26" 1:7" twist 25-06AI, 13.8# fully loaded trailhead weight.
Load was Lapua 3x brass with CCI 250 primer, 61gr of N565 behind Badlands SBD2-110gr set at CBTO 2.694" (0.035" jump in my rifle) with light crimp. MV and drop were measured on-site during the hunt and 5-shot results were AVG:3498.6fps, ES:24fps, SD:8.2fps.
One advantage the 25-06AI has over the 25CM is the ability to use much slower powders while still achieving 100% powder burn in a long barrel. When you are really wanting to push speed really hard I think some of the ultra slow powders add some extra forgiveness in how pressure develops. For shorter barrels the 25CM has significant advantages.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

Rifle was Howa 1500 LA with PBB 26" 1:7" twist 25-06AI, 13.8# fully loaded trailhead weight.
Load was Lapua 3x brass with CCI 250 primer, 61gr of N565 behind Badlands SBD2-110gr set at CBTO 2.694" (0.035" jump in my rifle) with light crimp. MV and drop were measured on-site during the hunt and 5-shot results were AVG:3498.6fps, ES:24fps, SD:8.2fps.
One advantage the 25-06AI has over the 25CM is the ability to use much slower powders while still achieving 100% powder burn in a long barrel. When you are really wanting to push speed really hard I think some of the ultra slow powders add some extra forgiveness in how pressure develops. For shorter barrels the 25CM has significant advantages.

Agree and thank you for sharing!