.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[omicron1792]

Yea that happens. Id expect inconsistency from small frangible bullets but it seems like the plastic tips do a lot to improve that. I havent seen every picture in this thread but it doesnt look like anyone gets penciling from TMK or ELD

That’s monos my man

 

[Choupique]

That’s monos my man

I thought that was the chief issue with regular hollow point match bullets?

 

[LimeSpoon]

I thought that was the chief issue with regular hollow point match bullets?

Yes, it is.

It’s the difference between yaw-initiated fragmentation (standard OTMs) and hydraulic expansion. TMKs expand largely in the same manner as any other hollowpoint.

The tip has less to do with it than the greatly enlarged hollowpoint cavity under the tip.

There’s still variation in the consistency of different kinds of expanding bullets, but with rifle rounds at high velocities, expansion is almost universally a more reliable upset mechanism than yaw.

 

[BLJ]

And while I put together a tack driver of a 22 Arc this year, because the ballistics look so great on paper, I have yet to hunt with it.

If you do decide to hunt with it, I can recommend the 75 ELDM.
I’m my experience they run about 40 yards.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

If you do decide to hunt with it, I can recommend the 75 ELDM.
I’m my experience they run about 40 yards.

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What’s the sample size?

 

[BLJ]

First one specifically with the 22ARC/75ELDM.

5th eastern whitetail with 22 caliber match bullets from 73 to 77 grains.
All very similar impact velocity.
Around 2655 FPS on the top end and 2200 on the low end.

10-40 yard run after the shot.
The post above was all lungs and no heart. Best blood trail yet.
I’ve got exits from all 5.
I’m the crease behind the shoulder.

 

[wirehead]

Anyone out there shot deer, etc with both the 60 gr partition and the heavier ELDM / TMKs? Interested in / hoping for first hand comparison of the two re: impact on game.

 

[FredH]

That’s monos my man

One of the rifles in my rotation is a 308 pushing a 110 gr. CX at 3190 fps. That bullet being designed for the 300 Blackout will not pencil. Some mono's nowadays open quite quickly.

 

[FredH]

I thought that was the chief issue with regular hollow point match bullets?

The other issue is the hpbt bullets tend not to penetrate in a straight line.

 

[Chris in TN]

Good point. Lung shooting deer would probably work with that too, but probably not with the best recovery rate, I imagine.

just as a data point - years ago I found a wounded fawn and finished it off and skinned it out to figure out why it died.

..22lr through the rear of the lungs. Some expansion. Couldn’t tell whether RN or HP projectile. Probably a hollowpoint. But either way the damage was enough to ensure its death but not to leave a trail to follow nor make it die quickly.

I don’t know how long it has been shot, only that it was bedded near where I parked that afternoon, it could stand up but not run. It was obviously in distress. I shot it in the noggin with my CCW at contact distance to finish it off.

Would a more centered lung hit have been fatal faster? I’m sure, but it’s far below my threshold for comfortable killing.

Of course this example has no negative bearing on the effectiveness of centerfire .22s. It just suggests that, yeah, there’s a floor.

 

[Pharmseller]

If you do decide to hunt with it, I can recommend the 75 ELDM.
I’m my experience they run about 40 yards.

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IME they drop straight down.

What’s the sample size?

Three

 

[BLJ]

I’ve never had one just drop. Always have a death run shooting them in the crease (heart and lungs).
IME.