.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Boltgun]

75gr AAC Sabre Tip seem to perform similar to TMK. Sample size of 2 so far. 18ish inches of penetration, knarly wound channels.

 

[Deere_Man]

75gr AAC Sabre Tip seem to perform similar to TMK. Sample size of 2 so far. 18ish inches of penetration, knarly wound channels.

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Finally back to serious content!

 

[JohnDough]

I only killed one white tail this year. 62gr Dual Performance. It took the front 1/3 of the heart and disappeared it. However, due to the angle (broadside) and the impact (low in the chest, aiming for the heart), there wasn't much deer that it "passed through". I did note the entrance was not noteworthy, nor was the exit. The damage to the heart was impressive, and upon the inside of the ribcage on the exit side, I noted about a 1.5-2" diameter area of dispersion for the fragments of the front of the projectile. The exit was, again, not really note worthy. Entrance and exit of the ribcage proper shows much more trauma from 70gr TSX. However, the damage to the heart was indeed in keeping with a fragmenting round. I will probably standardize on 70gr TSX, after now having used:

MK318 SOST
RA556B
70gr TSX
70gr GMX
62gr Dual Performance

 

[FredH]

So...you've yet to show how you would apply that knowledge. You just keep stating KE over and over.

E.g., what termial performance results do your calculations predict for -a bullet- impacting game with 558 ft-lbs of KE as stated above?

Strangely, you seem to be avoiding the application of your treatise to this question.

You appear to have a reading comprehension issue. The application of energy is decided by bullet construction. I have written this before. KE is just a way to calculate the work a projectile is capable of potentially.

 

[rclouse79]

No, not a compact. It's the standard length stock. I'm tall with long arms and I set all my rifles up with a 14.5" LOP.

It was $180 for a cut, thread, adapter, and thread protector. Here's the best part, he had it turned around and back in the mail to me within 48 hours or receiving it. I couldn't believe that.

I am completely new to suppressors and have been trying to figure everything out. After reading many posts I was convinced that the 5/8 thread with the shoulder was the way to go. Then I was looking at the ab a10 556 suppressor which comes with 1/2 inch threads. If I was going to buy that suppressor to keep on a 223, it seems like it would be easier to just have the tikka barrel threaded to 1/2 inch. Am I missing something?

 

[omicron1792]

I am completely new to suppressors and have been trying to figure everything out. After reading many posts I was convinced that the 5/8 thread with the shoulder was the way to go. Then I was looking at the ab a10 556 suppressor which comes with 1/2 inch threads. If I was going to buy that suppressor to keep on a 223, it seems like it would be easier to just have the tikka barrel threaded to 1/2 inch. Am I missing something?

That’s what I have on my 223. My thought is for 450 dollars that’s easy button to just have that dedicated 22 caliber can, so have all my 22 caliber rifles with 1/2” for that reason.

 

[Bowfinn]

I am completely new to suppressors and have been trying to figure everything out. After reading many posts I was convinced that the 5/8 thread with the shoulder was the way to go. Then I was looking at the ab a10 556 suppressor which comes with 1/2 inch threads. If I was going to buy that suppressor to keep on a 223, it seems like it would be easier to just have the tikka barrel threaded to 1/2 inch. Am I missing something?

Nope, I would do the same.

 

[Bluumoon]

I am completely new to suppressors and have been trying to figure everything out. After reading many posts I was convinced that the 5/8 thread with the shoulder was the way to go. Then I was looking at the ab a10 556 suppressor which comes with 1/2 inch threads. If I was going to buy that suppressor to keep on a 223, it seems like it would be easier to just have the tikka barrel threaded to 1/2 inch. Am I missing something?

I’d buy the .30 cal so you can use it on all your rifles. Prob losing a little suppression, but if it’s going to be your only one for a while… on Tikka barrels I’ve come to prefer threaded 1/2” and then use an adapter

 

[rclouse79]

I’d buy the .30 cal so you can use it on all your rifles. Prob losing a little suppression, but if it’s going to be your only one for a while… on Tikka barrels I’ve come to prefer threaded 1/2” and then use an adapter

I don't have a huge collection of rifles. This thread has me thinking about getting a 223 suppressed set up and then switching the barrel on my 270 to a 25-06. I would have considered selling my 270 for a smaller caliber, but I just bought an XLR chassis for it. The 25-06 seems like it checks the boxes for a lower recoiling round in a long action that will still be effective at the ranges I shoot animals. I will probably just buy the ab a10 762 can for it and be done (hopefully). This thread is going to end up costing me a lot of money, although I would be lying if I said I wasn't excited about it. I have limited myself to researching this in the morning because when I look before bed, I find that I can't sleep.

 

[Robobiss]

I don't have a huge collection of rifles. This thread has me thinking about getting a 223 suppressed set up and then switching the barrel on my 270 to a 25-06. I would have considered selling my 270 for a smaller caliber, but I just bought an XLR chassis for it. The 25-06 seems like it checks the boxes for a lower recoiling round in a long action that will still be effective at the ranges I shoot animals. I will probably just buy the ab a10 762 can for it and be done (hopefully). This thread is going to end up costing me a lot of money, although I would be lying if I said I wasn't excited about it. I have limited myself to researching this in the morning because when I look before bed, I find that I can't sleep.

Everyone seems to love direct thread here but… If you can afford a couple of ounces, ditch the direct thread and buy a QD mount for it like the rearden atlas (the A-10 is HUB compatible) and buy a muzzle device for every rifle. They make the muzzle devices that interface with the atlas (or similar) in every thread pitch. “Easiest” way to run a suppressor across multiple different hosts with different muzzle threads. I run my 7.62 A-10 across a pile of different rifles, 50% 1/2” and the rest 5/8”. Works great, zero complaints.

Plus, if you use one of the brake muzzle devices, the brake acts as a sacrificial blast baffle and allegedly takes the brunt of the beating instead of your actual blast baffle.

 

[Thegman]

You appear to have a reading comprehension issue. The application of energy is decided by bullet construction. I have written this before. KE is just a way to calculate the work a projectile is capable of potentially.

Oh, dang, I guess I missed that part, my bad. Okay, let's say an ELD-M bullet then, with 558 ft-lbs of KE.

 

[FredBear86]

I have read and been following this thread for a while now, but still a novice on the whole bullet thing. Somebody dumb it down for me and tell me which bullet I should be looking at for whitetail sized game out of a suppressed sbr (barrel 10.5 or shorter), at shot distances inside 100-150 yards (Prob more like inside 50), with a mindset of more "knockdown power" or blood trail in mind (thicker, harder tracking woods). Have no problem at these distances of shooting a big buck in the neck if that's what needed for the knockdown power aspect but would like good performance on lung shot deer as my 7 year old son will be using it too. TIA

 

[Mike Islander]

Oh, dang, I guess I missed that part, my bad. Okay, let's say an ELD-M bullet then, with 558 ft-lbs of KE.

230 fps. Well below intended effective velocity.

 

[HandgunHTR]

I have read and been following this thread for a while now, but still a novice on the whole bullet thing. Somebody dumb it down for me and tell me which bullet I should be looking at for whitetail sized game out of a suppressed sbr (barrel 10.5 or shorter), at shot distances inside 100-150 yards (Prob more like inside 50), with a mindset of more "knockdown power" or blood trail in mind (thicker, harder tracking woods). Have no problem at these distances of shooting a big buck in the neck if that's what needed for the knockdown power aspect but would like good performance on lung shot deer as my 7 year old son will be using it too. TIA

The Sierra 77 grain TMK is what you want to use.

Shoot them in the vitals and it won't matter if there is a blood trail, because the will drop within sight of where they were standing.

 

[fwafwow]

Shoot them in the vitals and it won't matter if there is a blood trail, because the will drop within sight of where they were standing.

I think this depends on the terrain as far as "within sight". My two most recent does dropped within 50 yards of where they were standing, but they both made it into the woods and required a bit of tracking. Neither one had much of a blood trail - even back tracking from where we found them.

Note - I'm not $hitting on the TMK, as I just ran another ammoseek search to see if any BH are out there. (No.)

 

[FredH]

Oh, dang, I guess I missed that part, my bad. Okay, let's say an ELD-M bullet then, with 558 ft-lbs of KE.

I didn't come up with that figure, it is the energy a 77 gr. Tipped Matchking has at 1800 fps. That appears to be the commonly accepted threshold of this thread to decide max permissible range.

 

[Deere_Man]

Doesn’t anybody have any more 55gr data points to share? I would post some but I had to swap scopes on my Ruger Ranch and I haven’t re-sighted it yet. Privi Partisan? Remington High Performance? Federal Power Shock? Winchester PP? Come on.

 

[eric1115]

I didn't come up with that figure, it is the energy a 77 gr. Tipped Matchking has at 1800 fps. That appears to be the commonly accepted threshold of this thread to decide max permissible range.

That has nothing to do with the KE number though. It has to do with what a specific bullet does at a specific velocity.

KE number doesn't tell us anything about the wound channel until we get info on bullet construction, impact velocity, maybe bullet weight. Once we have that information, the KE number tells us literally nothing extra that we don't already know from bullet type/weight and impact velocity.

 

[FredH]

That has nothing to do with the KE number though. It has to do with what a specific bullet does at a specific velocity.

KE number doesn't tell us anything about the wound channel until we get info on bullet construction, impact velocity, maybe bullet weight. Once we have that information, the KE number tells us literally nothing extra that we don't already know from bullet type/weight and impact velocity.

Having said the same thing many times I find it odd others keep repeating it back to me. KE is a calculation to describe the work a projectile has the potential for. The construction of said projectile is what decides the application of said work. So yes the calculated KE does mean something.

 

[FredH]

Doesn’t anybody have any more 55gr data points to share? I would post some but I had to swap scopes on my Ruger Ranch and I haven’t re-sighted it yet. Privi Partisan? Remington High Performance? Federal Power Shock? Winchester PP? Come on.

I have used the regular 55 gr. SP's from both Winchester and Remington to kill deer in the past. I took only mid to low behind the shoulder shots at ranges less than 200 yards. Worked just fine. Had bullets both exit and be found under the far side hide. Some deer dropped and some ran a ways. All died.