.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[ShootOkHuntWorse]

I will have a talk through video on this on OL’s YouTube and it’s gonna be a good point of reference to come. My 20” gas gun was giving 2695fps with the factory Hornady 88s and I shot the moose 3 times (which was a mistake, I only should have shot once, but hey).
First shot hit middle of a rib, tore off portion of near lung lobe and punched baseball-sized hole through middle of lungs, ending up in offside lung.
Second shot was running follow-up, hit in rear of hind quarter. After about an inch, put a racquetball sized wound channel about 10” to the femur and shattered it.
Third shot must have hit a twig and tumbled, impacted a couple inches from first shot, tore off lower near lobe of the lung, exited offside lung about size of a golf ball, and recovered bullet in off shoulder against scapula. Bullet did not expand, but appears to have keyholed into the moose. Still pretty impressive and would have exited a deer.
Three shots were fired in about 5.5 seconds and moose went down 40 seconds and 20ish yards after first shot.

On his YouTube or podcast? I’m only seeing a channel that hasn’t posted in 5 years or more.

 

[bearcreekbandit]

On his YouTube or podcast? I’m only seeing a channel that hasn’t posted in 5 years or more.

It will be on Outdoor Life's Youtube channel, though we did talk about it on the moose camp 24 episode of Tundra Talk Podcast

 

[Formidilosus]

Three shots were fired in about 5.5 seconds

Normally people and speed estimations are very suspect. I’ve seen the video, that was good shooting.

 

[hunterjmj]

Got a box in the mail today!

 

[WIDrake]

I got these in the mail today as well, woot!

 

[ShootOkHuntWorse]

I got these in the mail today as well, woot! View attachment 774842

How much are you paying per box? Around here they are about 46$

 

[WIDrake]

How much are you paying per box? Around here they are about 46$

$0 per box, that's the coolest part! (we must ignore the cost of prs and shooting a match as that's a hobby and it's just for burning all my cash) I got a cert off a prize table for 5 boxes and snagged these as the result. Took a little while to get but worth it. Gas gun slings em at 2950 and I gotta test some out of my prs rig and see if the 1-9 twist stabilizes them. Should get the same speed if they hold 1moa or better

 

[Poe]

So I'm not super familiar with crimping. My Black Hills is fairly obviously crimped.
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The AAC does not look crimped to me.
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I'm not sure about the Hornady as it looks normal so if they crimp the primers it is done very concentric and close to the primer.

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If it is crimped, I'll quit saving it. I'm not really interested in messing with crimped brass.

Jay

If I had the option non crimped is always easier but I got around 1000 military brass for dirt cheap that was all crimped and I picked up a RCBS swadging die. It’s easy to set up and doesn’t take long to run a bunch of brass through. I have loaded around 300 so far with no issues.

 

[backcountryguide]

73gr ELDM out of a 20” gas gun . Impact velocity right at 2200fps . Buck was slightly quartering away with bullet exiting the offside shoulder.

 

[Deere_Man]

73gr ELDM out of a 20” gas gun . Impact velocity right at 2200fps . Buck was slightly quartering away with bullet exiting the offside shoulder.

What did the inside look like? How far did it go? Thank you

 

[backcountryguide]

What did the inside look like? How far did it go? Thank you

Lung soup and he maybe went 5ft . Offside shoulder was broken with a lot of bone frag

 

[Deere_Man]

Lung soup and he maybe went 5ft . Offside shoulder was broken with a lot of bone frag

Nice.

 

[Gettincloser]

Alright guys and gals. It is Friday evening. My truck broke down just before heading out of town so I will not be hunting this weekend. How about posting some pictures and letting those of us not hunting this weekend, live vicariously through you! The hogs are safe for 1 more week here but would love to see more "damage" photos.

 

[Phinehas25]

First deer with the RSS. 77TMK of course. 416 yards. Hit a litter farther back than I like but still got the lungs. He traveled downhill and toward me about 30 yards then stopped. The next bullet went through his spine and then it was over.

Both bullets passed through, but the spine shot left the jacket on the far side hide.

To be honest, the damage was less than I am used to seeing from my 30-06 and 180 Core-lokts, but not that much less.

The best part was watching the action through the scope.

 

[sierracharlie338]

First deer with the RSS. 77TMK of course. 416 yards. Hit a litter farther back than I like but still got the lungs. He traveled downhill and toward me about 30 yards then stopped. The next bullet went through his spine and then it was over.

Both bullets passed through, but the spine shot left the jacket on the far side hide.

To be honest, the damage was less than I am used to seeing from my 30-06 and 180 Core-lokts, but not that much less.

The best part was watching the action through the scope.

To be fair you were on the edge of the velocity limit for expansion possibly but clearly still within its capabilities. Nice work and congrats on the meat!

 

[Thegman]

First deer with the RSS. 77TMK of course. 416 yards. Hit a litter farther back than I like but still got the lungs. He traveled downhill and toward me about 30 yards then stopped. The next bullet went through his spine and then it was over.

Both bullets passed through, but the spine shot left the jacket on the far side hide.

To be honest, the damage was less than I am used to seeing from my 30-06 and 180 Core-lokts, but not that much less.

The best part was watching the action through the scope.

Have you shot many animals at that range with your 30-06? Just wondering if that variable is accounted for.

Not that I doubt what you're saying at all. I mentioned a few weeks ago there's nothing I've ever harvested over the last 30 years that I couldn’t have taken with a 308 and 180 Corelokts.

 

[Phinehas25]

To be fair you were on the edge of the velocity limit for expansion possibly but clearly still within its capabilities. Nice work and congrats on the meat!

Velocity at the muzzle is just over 2800 fps. 3,000 ft elevation and 65 degrees out. I should still have over 2000 fps impact velocity.

To be clear, I'm not disappointed in the performance.

 

[Phinehas25]

Have you shot many animals at that range with your 30-06? Just wondering if that variable is accounted for.

Not that I doubt what you're saying at all. I mentioned a few weeks ago there's nothing I've ever harvested over the last 30 years that I couldn’t have taken with a 308 and 180 Corelokts.

I have not shot many that far with the 30-06. One elk further, a couple deer around 350, a couple more around 300. But those are similar impact velocities to the 77tmk at 400.

The 180 Core lokt is an external ballistic turd, but a terminal ballistic champ.

So the fact that I am comparing these two cartridge/bullet combos is a testament to how hard the 77 punches above it's weight class.

 

[Pharmseller]

So the fact that I am comparing these two cartridge/bullet combos is a testament to how hard the 77 punches above it's weight class.

Well said.



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[hunterjmj]

Shot this guy at about 100 yards this morning. We were in antelope from sun up. Couldn't move around much with that many eyes. My 8 year old saw him and gave me the thumbs up. Was shooting the 73 gr eldm factory rounds from my week old tikka 223. Very pleased with the results. No meat loss except a little around the ribs at the entry and exit point. As you can see, the wound channel in the lungs is large. The bullet entered through a rib and exited ribs. There was some bullet fragments on the skin side of the exit. He trotted maybe 20 yards and did the death back flip.