.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[PistolPete]

I’m not gonna read the whole book here the post is just to long

But I would say that a Barnes 62 tsx would be better than a tmk
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When everything goes right a 223 or a bow works. When things go wrong is where there problem comes in. Using a bullet that the manufacturer doesn't even recommend as a bullet to hunt with, well I think that just might be another thing that could go wrong. There are lots of bullets designed to hunt with, why depend on one that isn't.””

 

[roymunson]

Agree that this thread is prohibitively long. I’d suggest using the guide at the beginning and high grading. You would get most of what you need from reading the first few pages and then searching through and looking at the wound channel pics. The heavy TMKs and ELDMs out of a fast twist really are a different critter. You can get wound channels that are pint glass diameter or better that still have 12-18” of penetration. I’ve shot a lot of Barnes monos on game in much larger calibers and I never saw that kind of damage.

I'd love 2 things from this thread.
1. A bit more of a teacher's mentality from the "believers", rather than the bullying if you are skeptical/unsure

2. A hot link straight to the wound channels. I am interested in hunting accuracy and seeing what the bullets do on flesh and blood. I hop around the thread trying to find posts from September to December, but there's a lot of fluff in between. It's worth finding them, but I like seeing dead stuff and would love to see a higher density of obliterated lungs per post.

good thread! Wish Ohio wasn't a straightwall state. So many different ways I wanna kill things, but can't.

 

[Castle Rock]

I'd love 2 things from this thread.
1. A bit more of a teacher's mentality from the "believers", rather than the bullying if you are skeptical/unsure

2. A hot link straight to the wound channels. I am interested in hunting accuracy and seeing what the bullets do on flesh and blood. I hop around the thread trying to find posts from September to December, but there's a lot of fluff in between. It's worth finding them, but I like seeing dead stuff and would love to see a higher density of obliterated lungs per post.

good thread! Wish Ohio wasn't a straightwall state. So many different ways I wanna kill things, but can't.

1,Sorry that you are so sensitive
2, The posters that have provided this information have invested a huge amount of time, effort and money to provide this data, and it won’t hurt you or cost you anything to spend a little bit of time to read through it all and draw your own conclusions

 

[roymunson]

1,Sorry that you are so sensitive
2, The posters that have provided this information have invested a huge amount of time, effort and money to provide this data, and it won’t hurt you or cost you anything to spend a little bit of time to read through it all and draw your own conclusions

Not sensitive at all. But you're proving my point. I've seen form's other posts, he's been more of a teacher and explained why it works. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Or in pizz if you wanna take a look at some of the other responses.

Just my observations. By all means, keep doing what you're doing, don't let a guy who legitimately wants to understand the why of something inconvenience you.

 

[Shō[t]gun]

Just my observations. By all means, keep doing what you're doing, don't let a guy who legitimately wants to understand the why of something inconvenience you.

Nothing about that post suggested a “teach me” attitude.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

I'd love 2 things from this thread.
1. A bit more of a teacher's mentality from the "believers", rather than the bullying if you are skeptical/unsure

2. A hot link straight to the wound channels. I am interested in hunting accuracy and seeing what the bullets do on flesh and blood. I hop around the thread trying to find posts from September to December, but there's a lot of fluff in between. It's worth finding them, but I like seeing dead stuff and would love to see a higher density of obliterated lungs per post.

good thread! Wish Ohio wasn't a straightwall state. So many different ways I wanna kill things, but can't.

1. The hostile responses tend to come when people come in and say, "didn't read the thread but .223 is not a capable big game cartridge." Come into the thread indicating a willingness to learn and you'll get a more welcoming response.

2. Hot link to the hot links https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/223-for-bear-deer-elk-and-moose.130488/page-161#post-2961500

 

[roymunson]

Nothing about that post suggested a “teach me” attitude.

Did the "legitimately wants to understand they why of something" not come across? Whatever, its an interesting thread. Its funny to see the defensive fangs come out when someone questions or asks about it. I'll go back into my hole and leave you to it now.

 

[rackcity24]

@roymunson I don't think the intent to be bitter about it. The issue is that many of the questions that people have asked about the 77 tmk has been answered many times with real world experience including photos. There is a cheat sheet at the beginning of the thread if you would like to look at photos or certain topics in the thread.

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[Pharmseller]

Out at our annual week long rockchuck safari. Confirmed shots so far from 230 to 516 yards.
The 77 tmks are wrecking havoc.......

Randy

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[Shō[t]gun]

Did the "legitimately wants to understand they why of something" not come across? Whatever, its an interesting thread. Its funny to see the defensive fangs come out when someone questions or asks about it. I'll go back into my hole and leave you to it now.

Follow the quotes to the original. I’m talking about the S-3 post coming in hot while admitting to not looking at any of the previous 350+ pages.

 

[mtnwrunner]

Holy crap whose rig has the Biden/Harris bumper sticker?





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Ha! Now, that's funny.

 

[ElPollo]

I'd love 2 things from this thread.
1. A bit more of a teacher's mentality from the "believers", rather than the bullying if you are skeptical/unsure

2. A hot link straight to the wound channels. I am interested in hunting accuracy and seeing what the bullets do on flesh and blood. I hop around the thread trying to find posts from September to December, but there's a lot of fluff in between. It's worth finding them, but I like seeing dead stuff and would love to see a higher density of obliterated lungs per post.

good thread! Wish Ohio wasn't a straightwall state. So many different ways I wanna kill things, but can't.

1) It important to understand that this thread is about data, not opinions or feelings. Often time being confronted with data that contradicts strongly held opinions and feelings can make people defensive. Likewise ignoring data that contradicts strongly held opinions and feelings can make other people defensive. But ultimately those defensive feelings hopefully make us question and test our beliefs and help us become better at what we do.

2) There is a source for hot links to the wound channels. At the top of the thread there is a link to the cheat sheet, which is a post that contains hotlines to a lot of the kills recorded in the tread by species. You can find it here:

.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

Simple minded fella, or something along those lines. Fantastic channel. That’s the guy. https://youtube.com/@simplemindedfella Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

rokslide.com

 

[KHntr]

No I have read various parts of the post , but the sheer volume makes it difficult to ring out useful information, it really doesn’t help that my .223 is a old
1:12 twist and can’t stabilize a oversized heavy for caliber bullets
But I have tried to glean from this one

Won’t spin the 62 TTSX either. You’ll have better luck with the 45 or 50 TSX.

 

[Moosehunter]

Holy crap whose rig has the Biden/Harris bumper sticker?





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Probably @Ryan Avery

 

[Pharmseller]

Did I make anyone look?






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[Luke S]

Short on time to reload. Has anyone tried the Hornady Critical Defense 73gr FTX? Looking for a kid friendly black bear load until I can find my 77 gr TMKs and free time to reload. If it's horrible we stick with the 6.5 Grendal

 

[TxxAgg]

Did I make anyone look?






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Yes dammit

 

[brockel]

I shoot a 53 vmax on groundhogs with my 22-250. Rarely do they exit 8-10 pound pigs under 250 yards with a muzzle velocity of 3650fps.
I’m not discrediting what youre saying but I would like to see pictures of carcasses and internals when hit with 45-55gr class varmint bullets in the ribs.
Does anyone here have on game experience with this?

Have done it with a 35 grain Berger varmint hollow point out of a 204 straight on shot. Looked like a blender in the chest cavity. Was before had a camera phone and never carried a camera with me. Was my fur load for coyotes.

 

[BigNate]

No I have read various parts of the post , but the sheer volume makes it difficult to ring out useful information, it really doesn’t help that my .223 is a old
1:12 twist and can’t stabilize a oversized heavy for caliber bullets
But I have tried to glean from this one

The 62gr Barnes isn't very stable if at all out of the 1:12, it's long.

The better choice would be 64gr Win PP, Nosler bsb, or the 50gr Barnes TTSX. But none of these give the same reach as the 77gr TMK

 

[Chris_in_Idaho]

Did I make anyone look?






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You had me.