PsRpOiGrRiAtM
Lil-Rokslider
You must've been talking to my wife."More speed not necessarily size is my understanding......"
You must've been talking to my wife."More speed not necessarily size is my understanding......"
Mono bullets only? Perish the thought. Lead free (versus mono) at least gives you DRT and everyone else scrambling to catch up once they realize frangible/fragmentary bullets make a MUCH larger wound than a mono at impact speeds below 2400-2600 fps. DRT makes a 79 grain .224 pill.I'd be really curious as to how this conversation would change (or if it would) in a world of mono bullets only? @Ryan Avery @Formidilosus does mono change the discussion to needing/wanting a bigger cartrige (e.g., 7PRC, 300 PRC)? - Thx
I’d hope that most hunters end up at a .223 after a gaining significant knowledge and experience. Maybe not. Either way, I’d also hope that the hunter would limit themself to what they absolutely know they are capable of closing the deal on. Doesn’t matter if it’s with a .223 or a .300 mag.Look at page 26, that’s a good start to your question, but seriously, start reading the whole thread, it’s worth reading, you don’t have to tackle it all at once, but this thread is loaded with really good information
In general a narrower wound channel with Barnes. I have experience with the 55 grn tipped and they like to meet some firm resistance to really perform.I'd be really curious as to how this conversation would change (or if it would) in a world of mono bullets only? @Ryan Avery @Formidilosus does mono change the discussion to needing/wanting a bigger cartrige (e.g., 7PRC, 300 PRC)? - Thx
I’ve been wanting to test the DRT Terminal Shocks and still intend to do so at some point. However, I did find this gel test on YouTube.Mono bullets only? Perish the thought. Lead free (versus mono) at least gives you DRT and everyone else scrambling to catch up once they realize frangible/fragmentary bullets make a MUCH larger wound than a mono at impact speeds below 2400-2600 fps. DRT makes a 79 grain .224 pill.
I don't do lead free, but if I were doing lead free in .224" that is the only bullet I know of that I would use.
What’s a “fast twist 250”?After reading, re-reading and trying to digest as much as possible. Is there any benefit to choosing a fast twist 250, creed or arc if 99.9% of shots are within 300-350 yards with most being shorter? Mainly hunting areas of Texas where you definitely want short tracking jobs.
It’s hard to grasp the concept of not using ft/lb’s of energy as a good measure of how effectively something can be incapacitated.
Maybe it’s my natural aiming point (crease) but i’m amazed at the amount of “follow-up shots” that people in this thread are able to achieve. In my neck of the woods, a pig or deer has made it 50 yards into the woods on a dead sprint before I can blink an eye. (if not “bang-flopped”)
I’d imagine he’s talking about a fast twist 22-250 like a 8twist tikka.What’s a “fast twist 250”?
Bullets matter. Hit rates. Wound channels. Depth of penetration. Maximum effective range. Delivery systems. Learning to kill efficiency.
It‘s a process.
1:8 22-250 shooting 77tmk’s faster than a 223What’s a “fast twist 250”?
Bullets matter. Hit rates. Wound channels. Depth of penetration. Maximum effective range. Delivery systems. Learning to kill efficiency.
It‘s a process.
I’ve read the whole thread and jumped on the 77gr tmk bandwagon. Shoot them in a 18” tikka 223 and a 18” tikka 22-250. Even have trijicon and maven scopes now (this forum is expensive for me). It’s a mean little green bullet and a kills remarkably well…. But like you, I’m in Texas & where I live you don’t get follow up shots. For whacking hogs and coyotes I grab something that shoots 77gr TMK’s 99% of the time. If I’m shooting deer, I’ve gotten to where I go with my 6creed. It still has minimal recoil but the 105gr hornady bthp damages a lot of tissue and manages to exit leaving good blood trailsAfter reading, re-reading and trying to digest as much as possible. Is there any benefit to choosing a fast twist 250, creed or arc if 99.9% of shots are within 300-350 yards with most being shorter? Mainly hunting areas of Texas where you definitely want short tracking jobs.
It’s hard to grasp the concept of not using ft/lb’s of energy as a good measure of how effectively something can be incapacitated.
Maybe it’s my natural aiming point (crease) but i’m amazed at the amount of “follow-up shots” that people in this thread are able to achieve. In my neck of the woods, a pig or deer has made it 50 yards into the woods on a dead sprint before I can blink an eye. (if not “bang-flopped”)
After reading, re-reading and trying to digest as much as possible. Is there any benefit to choosing a fast twist 250, creed or arc if 99.9% of shots are within 300-350 yards with most being shorter? Mainly hunting areas of Texas where you definitely want short tracking jobs.
It’s hard to grasp the concept of not using ft/lb’s of energy as a good measure of how effectively something can be incapacitated.
Maybe it’s my natural aiming point (crease) but i’m amazed at the amount of “follow-up shots” that people in this thread are able to achieve. In my neck of the woods, a pig or deer has made it 50 yards into the woods on a dead sprint before I can blink an eye. (if not “bang-flopped”)
After reading, re-reading and trying to digest as much as possible. Is there any benefit to choosing a fast twist 250, creed or arc if 99.9% of shots are within 300-350 yards with most being shorter? Mainly hunting areas of Texas where you definitely want short tracking jobs.
It’s hard to grasp the concept of not using ft/lb’s of energy as a good measure of how effectively something can be incapacitated.
Maybe it’s my natural aiming point (crease) but i’m amazed at the amount of “follow-up shots” that people in this thread are able to achieve. In my neck of the woods, a pig or deer has made it 50 yards into the woods on a dead sprint before I can blink an eye. (if not “bang-flopped”)
it’s a fascinating concept with incredible amounts of evidence of effectiveness. I’ve gone from 223 to 6.5 grendel to 308 after killing Hundreds of hogs on our ranch prioritizing short tracking jobs. I’ve been impressed with the effectiveness of the 308 but much prefer the shootability of the 223 and grendel.I’ve read the whole thread and jumped on the 77gr tmk bandwagon. Shoot them in a 18” tikka 223 and a 18” tikka 22-250. Even have trijicon and maven scopes now (this forum is expensive for me). It’s a mean little green bullet and a kills remarkably well…. But like you, I’m in Texas & where I live you don’t get follow up shots. For whacking hogs and coyotes I grab something that shoots 77gr TMK’s 99% of the time. If I’m shooting deer, I’ve gotten to where I go with my 6creed. It still has minimal recoil but the 105gr hornady bthp damages a lot of tissue and manages to exit leaving good blood trails
I’ve read the whole thread and jumped on the 77gr tmk bandwagon. Shoot them in a 18” tikka 223 and a 18” tikka 22-250. Even have trijicon and maven scopes now (this forum is expensive for me). It’s a mean little green bullet and a kills remarkably well…. But like you, I’m in Texas & where I live you don’t get follow up shots. For whacking hogs and coyotes I grab something that shoots 77gr TMK’s 99% of the time. If I’m shooting deer, I’ve gotten to where I go with my 6creed. It still has minimal recoil but the 105gr hornady bthp damages a lot of tissue and manages to exit leaving good blood trails
Yep. Same boat as you. We shoot a lot of stuff out of Kawasaki mules on the run…. I’m not saying the 77gr TMK’s don’t flat out kill… but I’ve had better luck with recovery’s on less than ideal shot placement when shooting “soft” bullets out of 6creeds and 308sit’s a fascinating concept with incredible amounts of evidence of effectiveness. I’ve gone from 223 to 6.5 grendel to 308 after killing Hundreds of hogs on our ranch prioritizing short tracking jobs. I’ve been impressed with the effectiveness of the 308 but much prefer the shootability of the 223 and grendel.
Many hogs are killed from a gator on quick snap-shots where you often dont have time to set up a steady shot from a bag. My experience says the 308 “kills better” but, again, the evidence presented in this thread is undeniable.
In my opinion no not for those ranges. The 223 is more than adequate for that range, killing them more dead with a faster cartridge isn’t getting you any further ahead. The 223 being easy to hit with, stay on target for multiple fast shots, and is cheap to shoot leading to lots of practice.After reading, re-reading and trying to digest as much as possible. Is there any benefit to choosing a fast twist 250, creed or arc if 99.9% of shots are within 300-350 yards with most being shorter? Mainly hunting areas of Texas where you definitely want short tracking jobs.
It’s hard to grasp the concept of not using ft/lb’s of energy as a good measure of how effectively something can be incapacitated.
Maybe it’s my natural aiming point (crease) but i’m amazed at the amount of “follow-up shots” that people in this thread are able to achieve. In my neck of the woods, a pig or deer has made it 50 yards into the woods on a dead sprint before I can blink an eye. (if not “bang-flopped”)
Not this oneI thought the Maven scopes failed most of the tests?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
In my opinion no not for those ranges. The 223 is more than adequate for that range, killing them more dead with a faster cartridge isn’t getting you any further ahead. The 223 being easy to hit with, stay on target for multiple fast shots, and is cheap to shoot leading to lots of practice.
A lot of my shooting over the years has been fast at moving animals, using the break them down mentality and I always thought bigger was better. Now I’m of the opinion the 223 is the better pick because if follow-up shots are needed I can put them out fast and accurate not to mention I more than likely saw the impact on each shot.
This is kind of where i’m stuck. The ability to stay on target with a 22 caliber, deliver quick follow-up shots (if presented) but also incapacitating as quickly as possible, sometimes with suboptimal accuracy.In my opinion no not for those ranges. The 223 is more than adequate for that range, killing them more dead with a faster cartridge isn’t getting you any further ahead. The 223 being easy to hit with, stay on target for multiple fast shots, and is cheap to shoot leading to lots of practice.
A lot of my shooting over the years has been fast at moving animals, using the break them down mentality and I always thought bigger was better. Now I’m of the opinion the 223 is the better pick because if follow-up shots are needed I can put them out fast and accurate not to mention I more than likely saw the impact on each shot.
Not this one
Maven RS1.2 2.5-15x44mm Field Eval
This is a field evaluation of the Maven RS1.2 2.5-15x44mm SHR-Mil reticle scope. This scope was given to me by Ryan. The baseline 30 round group with this lot of ammunition was 1.5” at 100 yards. The scope and weight- Turrets: Elevation turret is exposed, revolution indicated, 10...rokslide.com