.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Drenalin]

15 deer to the 73 ELD-M this year, between me and a couple of buddies, from 30 to almost 400 yards. Absolutely no drama aside from a couple of spine shots that required follow ups. Very happy with the bullet, and the shootability of the cartridge. Now to improve the platform…

 

[wind gypsy]

I’ve had inconsistent terminal performance with the Atip on big game and stopped using them all together due to the degree of inconsistency I experienced.

Really wish I’d stop hearing such things. Any reason to think the 90 could be different?

 

[wyosam]

Really wish I’d stop hearing such things. Any reason to think the 90 could be different?

Why? Lots of bullets with solid track records.


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[chamois]

I wonder how a 22-250AI with 90 grain ATips @ 3300fps would fare?


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My experience with the ATips in the 6,5 was appalling. Will not use them on game again.

 

[False_Cast]

Any reason to think the 90 could be different?

Just the tip.

 

[CBB1]

The bc of the 88 is better than the 108 eldm and it's going faster in the creedmoors. It beats it from 0 to infinity.

Damnit, why am I just learning this. I’m in the process of setting up a rifle for the 108s.


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[BjornF16]

Damnit, why am I just learning this. I’m in the process of setting up a rifle for the 108s.


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LOL...just setup two rifles: One for 88's and one for 108's (where you can't use .224 for big game)

 

[Nomosendero]

.270 vs .274 G7, not enough difference to matter but combined with the velocity would matter some.
But I do wonder if both are ran with 20" barrel and a suppressor as opposed to a 22-24" barrel if the 22CM is still faster or enough so to matter?

Damnit, why am I just learning this. I’m in the process of setting up a rifle for the 108s.


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[jonpall]

Damnit, why am I just learning this. I’m in the process of setting up a rifle for the 108s.


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I know. Just when I think I have a plan I keep reading stuff like this and start second guessing myself.

 

[ChrisAU]

Have not read the thread, but in a couple weeks I'm going to see how a 70gr TTSX does out of a 10.5" + 6" suppressor on hogs. For science.

 

[atmat]

Damnit, why am I just learning this. I’m in the process of setting up a rifle for the 108s.


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Don't fret, the 108 are great still.

 

[CBB1]

Don't fret, the 108 are great still.

Too late to fret, that rifle is in the works. Now I get to look at another rifle. For the kids of course.


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[Mike D Texas]

That's basically a 22 creedmoor. I've heard negative things about the A-tip on game. No personal experience. Why not just use the 88? The 88 has a solid reputation.

I’m not opposed to the ELDM, but the BC (if real) on the ATips is phenomenal.

If it is truly a relative thin jacketed target bullet, I don’t see how it wouldn’t expand at the velocity discussed here.


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[Mike D Texas]

Just out of curiosity, the folks that posted about unfavorable results with the ATip, what did you experience and what was your muzzle and impact velocities?

I’m not disputing either way for or against, I’m curious as to what your on game performance experience was.


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[Dioni A]

Just out of curiosity, the folks that posted about unfavorable results with the ATip, what did you experience and what was your muzzle and impact velocities?

I’m not disputing either way for or against, I’m curious as to what your on game performance experience was.


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@Ryan Avery had one blow up on a deer at medium long range out of a 300 ultra mag if I remember right. I believe it was a quartering towards frontal shot with almost no penetration. Very poor performance if my memory serves me.

 

[Juan_ID]

Damnit, why am I just learning this. I’m in the process of setting up a rifle for the 108s.


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I have a pile of 108s I’ll sell ya… just saying

 

[Formidilosus]

If it is truly a relative thin jacketed target bullet, I don’t see how it wouldn’t expand at the velocity discussed here.

Very early versions fragmented heavily- very. However, now they behave very erratically. Mostly failure to upset. Caliber size wound channels through the entire animal.

 

[JJ3]

Have not read the thread, but in a couple weeks I'm going to see how a 70gr TTSX does out of a 10.5" + 6" suppressor on hogs. For science.

I can confirm 73 ELD out of a 10.5" is deadly, give it a try in comparison.

 

[northernalpine]

Have not read the thread, but in a couple weeks I'm going to see how a 70gr TTSX does out of a 10.5" + 6" suppressor on hogs. For science.

Penetration won’t be a problem, that was my bread and butter for hogs for a number of years. Expansion is hit or miss depending on shot placement so put a few in there…for science

 

[roosiebull]

preface: if this has been answered here please share the page number or post number.

The only questions I have about using very small light bullets, ones not typically considered large enough... lets say for example a 223 caliber on a large bull elk to be specific.

I well aware it doesn't take much to kill most anything in the right situations.

Lets say your hunting bull elk with a 223, you see a nice huge trophy bull and take the shot. Your typically a good shot but maybe its not a perfect broadside target or something and you hit large heavy bone. How will a tiny 223 be affected with a heavy bone hit? How will increasing distance affect the same hit?
100yds?
200yds?
300yds?
400yds?
How far out would you go?

Look at page 26, that’s a good start to your question, but seriously, start reading the whole thread, it’s worth reading, you don’t have to tackle it all at once, but this thread is loaded with really good information