.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[atmat]

Damnit, why am I just learning this. I’m in the process of setting up a rifle for the 108s.


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Don't fret, the 108 are great still.

 

[CBB1]

Don't fret, the 108 are great still.

Too late to fret, that rifle is in the works. Now I get to look at another rifle. For the kids of course.


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[Mike D Texas]

That's basically a 22 creedmoor. I've heard negative things about the A-tip on game. No personal experience. Why not just use the 88? The 88 has a solid reputation.

I’m not opposed to the ELDM, but the BC (if real) on the ATips is phenomenal.

If it is truly a relative thin jacketed target bullet, I don’t see how it wouldn’t expand at the velocity discussed here.


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[Mike D Texas]

Just out of curiosity, the folks that posted about unfavorable results with the ATip, what did you experience and what was your muzzle and impact velocities?

I’m not disputing either way for or against, I’m curious as to what your on game performance experience was.


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[Dioni A]

Just out of curiosity, the folks that posted about unfavorable results with the ATip, what did you experience and what was your muzzle and impact velocities?

I’m not disputing either way for or against, I’m curious as to what your on game performance experience was.


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@Ryan Avery had one blow up on a deer at medium long range out of a 300 ultra mag if I remember right. I believe it was a quartering towards frontal shot with almost no penetration. Very poor performance if my memory serves me.

 

[Juan_ID]

Damnit, why am I just learning this. I’m in the process of setting up a rifle for the 108s.


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I have a pile of 108s I’ll sell ya… just saying

 

[Formidilosus]

If it is truly a relative thin jacketed target bullet, I don’t see how it wouldn’t expand at the velocity discussed here.

Very early versions fragmented heavily- very. However, now they behave very erratically. Mostly failure to upset. Caliber size wound channels through the entire animal.

 

[JJ3]

Have not read the thread, but in a couple weeks I'm going to see how a 70gr TTSX does out of a 10.5" + 6" suppressor on hogs. For science.

I can confirm 73 ELD out of a 10.5" is deadly, give it a try in comparison.

 

[northernalpine]

Have not read the thread, but in a couple weeks I'm going to see how a 70gr TTSX does out of a 10.5" + 6" suppressor on hogs. For science.

Penetration won’t be a problem, that was my bread and butter for hogs for a number of years. Expansion is hit or miss depending on shot placement so put a few in there…for science

 

[roosiebull]

preface: if this has been answered here please share the page number or post number.

The only questions I have about using very small light bullets, ones not typically considered large enough... lets say for example a 223 caliber on a large bull elk to be specific.

I well aware it doesn't take much to kill most anything in the right situations.

Lets say your hunting bull elk with a 223, you see a nice huge trophy bull and take the shot. Your typically a good shot but maybe its not a perfect broadside target or something and you hit large heavy bone. How will a tiny 223 be affected with a heavy bone hit? How will increasing distance affect the same hit?
100yds?
200yds?
300yds?
400yds?
How far out would you go?

Look at page 26, that’s a good start to your question, but seriously, start reading the whole thread, it’s worth reading, you don’t have to tackle it all at once, but this thread is loaded with really good information

 

[roosiebull]

15 deer to the 73 ELD-M this year, between me and a couple of buddies, from 30 to almost 400 yards. Absolutely no drama aside from a couple of spine shots that required follow ups. Very happy with the bullet, and the shootability of the cartridge. Now to improve the platform…

Heck yeah, I appreciate the feedback on that particular bullet, because it’s always easy to find and I currently have a bunch

 

[northernalpine]

Challenge accepted.

 

[roosiebull]

I think this slipped under the radar! @Tahr let me know if you ever need a hand, I don’t want you getting carpal tunnel in your trigger finger because I am a team player

… and I’m a good meat packer

 

[Hunter609]

I’m looking forward to trying a 223 with 77tmks this year on deer and bear. I bought a compact, the barreled action is at UM getting cut down to 16.5” and having the action lightened. The Rokstok is also on order.

 

[Tahr]

… and I’m a good meat packer

Im down in the Pacific. It's a 14 hour flight. But you are very welcome.

 

[h2so4]

Im down in the Pacific. It's a 14 hour flight. But you are very welcome.

I’ve made worse decisions than a 14hr flight to carry heavy stuff

 

[Tahr]

While the 77TMK and a few other 73-80 grn are top drawer for the .223 and deer a closed mind means you are missing the experience of gaining experience. And doing interesting stuff. I accept though that limited deer seasons constrain this and most need every shot to count. Not so much me. I use a lot of 52 grn Berger jacketed hollow point bullets. They step out at 3250 fps and mainly exit. There is usually a bit of blood but seldom enough to leave a confetti trail. Here's a deer from last evening. A crease lung shot at 80 yards. This one got about 70/80 yards before piling up (usually they are dead within 30 yards)

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The dog is a God send for finding them in this steep country.

 

[H80Hunter]

Heck yeah, I appreciate the feedback on that particular bullet, because it’s always easy to find and I currently have a bunch

I appreciate that too. I’m trying that Hornady load out as well. I don’t hand load and that seems easy. I’m too much of a coward to go all in on the black hills 5.56 77 TGK load.

 

[Rich M]

While the 77TMK and a few other 73-80 grn are top drawer for the .223 and deer a closed mind means you are missing the experience of gaining experience. And doing interesting stuff. I accept though that limited deer seasons constrain this and most need every shot to count. Not so much me. I use a lot of 52 grn Berger jacketed hollow point bullets. They step out at 3250 fps and mainly exit. There is usually a bit of blood but seldom enough to leave a confetti trail. Here's a deer from last evening. A crease lung shot at 80 yards. This one got about 70/80 yards before piling up (usually they are dead within 30 yards)

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The dog is a God send for finding them in this steep country.

Glad it wasnt a dead lab. That woulda changed the dynamics here.

Little baby bullet, big results! Wish i had a tracking lab that retrieved waterfowl.

 

[northernalpine]

Im down in the Pacific. It's a 14 hour flight. But you are very welcome.

I’ll be there in September. You on the north or south island?