.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Big_wals]

Honest question

Has anyone ever heard or seen anyone get in trouble for shooting something under the legal caliber? Doesn’t seem like that would be a common thing. I plan on taking my 22 creed everywhere

I would never recommend poaching either, but I bet necked down brass that's headstamped 6mm creed would get you past anyone who did check

 

[wyosam]

I would never recommend poaching either, but I bet necked down brass that's headstamped 6mm creed would get you past anyone who did check

Yeah, they’ll definitely check ammo and not the barrel stamp.


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[dirtshooter]

Yeah, they’ll definitely check ammo and not the barrel stamp.


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Not every rifle has a barrel stamp though.

 

[Big_wals]

Yeah, they’ll definitely check ammo and not the barrel stamp.


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Yeah, thats true. Guess anyone building a Poachers Special better do a rattle can camo job , with extra coats on the barrel. Or, alternatively, just use a cartridge that's legal

 

[misfit713]

I've hunted with 223/556 for 20 years. 2 legged and 4. I currently hunt with 75grn T2 bullet out of 12.5-14.5" ARs and have amazing results on deer sized game and down. 200y of reliable frag from the 14.5 and its dropped deer at 250 easily. In fact, I've never had to even really look for a deer with this combo. However, this thread got me to order a case of BH 77tmk to try too. TMK should push my frag window out to 300-350m. I have a few to harvest, so ill try and get one with the T2 and one 77tmk for the haters. I also need to stop being lazy and hunt coyotes at some point.

What blows me away after spending 5 days reading about stuff I already knew is the amount of people who after reading A LOT of evidence still defend their narrow mindset on the 223.

It's crazy that someone can tout "hunters owe it to game to make ethical kills" and "you should use the biggest round you can in case something happens" in the same breath. The premise of these two ideas fundamentally don't align.

1st, when's the escalation end? You got guys on here using 300wm for deer inside 200m! Why not a .50? Seriously. Next is the in case something happens thought… You own that trigger, you pull it, and "something happens" that's on you, got to read the situation. Its .3 second time of flight to 300m Make better choices, make better placement. Be a rifleman first, hunter second. We owe it to game to be accurate, and as a hunter for food, I cannot stand to see both shoulders turned to jello.

 

[PA HUNTR]

New guy here, absolutely blown away by this.

I found myself lurking on here a few weeks ago with the intentions of buying my daughter either a 6 ARC or 6.5 Grendel for her first deer rifle. I ended up with a Howa mini action chambered in 6.5 Grendel and ultimately based my decision off of brass availability.

I found myself still on here reading about the Grendel and stumbled across this thread. I started reading and my narrow minded self thought there’s no way people are using a .223 on these sized animals with great success.

I have always hunted with a 308, 300 WSM, 270, 25-06, etc. I never thought the 223 was sufficient enough for anything other than varmints. I made it to page 144, still have not finished this entire thread, but there was enough credible evidence for me to take the plunge.

I have locally sourced a Tikka T3X lite stainless with 1:8 twist, (have not picked it up yet) and a couple hundred 77 gr TMK’s to start this adventure. Thanks for all the info to all who have posted such positive results with these combos. Looking forward to all the future information on this site!!

 

[PNWGATOR]

New guy here, absolutely blown away by this.

I found myself lurking on here a few weeks ago with the intentions of buying my daughter either a 6 ARC or 6.5 Grendel for her first deer rifle. I ended up with a Howa mini action chambered in 6.5 Grendel and ultimately based my decision off of brass availability.

I found myself still on here reading about the Grendel and stumbled across this thread. I started reading and my narrow minded self thought there’s no way people are using a .223 on these sized animals with great success.

I have always hunted with a 308, 300 WSM, 270, 25-06, etc. I never thought the 223 was sufficient enough for anything other than varmints. I made it to page 144, still have not finished this entire thread, but there was enough credible evidence for me to take the plunge.

I have locally sourced a Tikka T3X lite stainless with 1:8 twist, (have not picked it up yet) and a couple hundred 77 gr TMK’s to start this adventure. Thanks for all the info to all who have posted such positive results with these combos. Looking forward to all the future information on this site!!

Not sure how old your daughter is or of her physical stature, however, a Tikka T3x compact .223 cut and threaded and fitted with a can is generally THE answer.

Find a SWFA 6x milquad mil/mil and put it in Unknown Munitions rings and have her purposefully practice and burn out a barrel.

 

[PA HUNTR]

Not sure how old your daughter is or of her physical stature, however, a Tikka T3x compact .223 cut and threaded and fitted with a can is generally THE answer.

Find a SWFA 6x milquad mil/mil and put it in Unknown Munitions rings and have her purposefully practice and burn out a barrel.

I just got her behind a pellet gun this summer, and recently added a 22 to the mix. So not anytime soon. My intentions with the Howa was to put it in an MDT Oryx youth chassis with an arca rail to be able to attach it to a tripod. The T3X compact is a great idea!! Funny you say that because I was actually thinking that the other morning driving to work, that a 223 compact would be a good rifle to move into in the future.

 

[PNWGATOR]

I just got her behind a pellet gun this summer, and recently added a 22 to the mix. So not anytime soon. My intentions with the Howa was to put it in an MDT Oryx youth chassis with an arca rail to be able to attach it to a tripod. The T3X compact is a great idea!! Funny you say that because I was actually thinking that the other morning driving to work, that a 223 compact would be a good rifle to move into in the future.

100% Tikka of choice for a young, new centerfire shooter.

Do you have a suppressor for her? If not, start the process now and make it your first priority.

 

[Huckleberry Hound]

I would never recommend poaching either, but I bet necked down brass that's headstamped 6mm creed would get you past anyone who did check

Sure it would. Is there any 6mm stamped brass that a guy shooting 223 could neck down? Asking for a friend of course....

 

[TN deer hunter]

Killed several deer using a vanilla .223 AR and .223AI using;
62gr TTSX
53gr TSX
64gr Nosler Bonded
62gr Federal Fusion

 

[fshaw]

Killed several deer using a vanilla .223 AR and .223AI using;
62gr TTSX
53gr TSX
64gr Nosler Bonded
62gr Federal Fusion

Any favorite among these?

 

[Billy Goat]

Sure it would. Is there any 6mm stamped brass that a guy shooting 223 could neck down? Asking for a friend of course....

6x45, but not in stock anywhere.

Quality Cartridge Brass 6x45mm (6mm-223 Remington) Box of 20

Quality Cartridge started in 1990 manufacturing custom, obsolete and wildcat cartridge cases. Quality Cartridge uses the highest quality materials and...

www.midwayusa.com

 

[TN deer hunter]

All performed great!
I hand loaded the Barnes but shot factory Federal Fusions.

 

[TN deer hunter]

The 62 and 64 bonded used on deer both had exits with 50 cent sized exit wounds. Easy blood trails but deer didn't run 20-30yds.

Below .223AI Barnes 62gr TTSX 2,947fps exit @ 120yds. 7pt buck ran about 60yds.

Entrance

.223AI Barnes 53gr TSX 3,546fps shot about 60 yds exit.

Entrance and exit through the ribcage.
Entrance on right exit left.

 

[Chris_in_Idaho]

Sure it would. Is there any 6mm stamped brass that a guy shooting 223 could neck down? Asking for a friend of course....

I wonder, if your friend is going to handload and even go through the trouble of necking down 6x45 brass, why not just shoot a legit 6x45?

 

[wyosam]

Sure it would. Is there any 6mm stamped brass that a guy shooting 223 could neck down? Asking for a friend of course....

If you’re going to break the law just do it and deal with the consequences if they arise. Trying to hide it isn’t going to help you with any sort of leniency. The wardens I know would definitely cite you for that, in addition to anything else they could find. Expecting them to be stupid probably won’t end well.


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[BLJ]

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Made my day. Thanks for that one.

 

[Billy Goat]

Made my day. Thanks for that one.

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