.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[mt terry d]

While I do get what you’re saying, if everyone made their own decisions regarding game laws, we’d be in trouble.

What trouble would it cause if everyone decided for themselves which cartridge to use?

 

[atmat]

What trouble would it cause if everyone decided for themselves which cartridge to use?

To play devil’s advocate: folks could use 22LR and end up with lots of wounded animals.

I’m personally of the opinion that hunters should be extra careful to follow hunting regulations if for no other reason than to be above reproach with the anti-hunting groups.

 

[justinspicher]

To play devil’s advocate: folks could use 22LR and end up with lots of wounded animals.

I’m personally of the opinion that hunters should be extra careful to follow hunting regulations if for no other reason than to be above reproach with the anti-hunting groups.

Lots of folks wound animals every year with anything from trad bows to magnum cartridges. Caliber choice is not the only reason for this dilemma.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Not exactly equal comparisons there. Hunting before season will more likely impact others and the public resource. The other two, not so much.

There are plenty of examples of silly/outdated/not-necessarily-based-on-sound-reason-or-science laws, such as caliber restrictions. It's illegal in Florida for unmarried women to skydive on Sundays. In New Jersey it's illegal for men to knit during fishing season. In Washington, it's illegal to harass, harm or kill Bigfoot.

Wonder how much time I'd do if I shot a samsquanch in WA with my .223...technically not a big game animal, so probably just the one charge.

In Washington we also have our law making commissioners actively committing felonies and conspiring against sportsmen in collaboration with anti-hunting groups too, so there's that.

 

[roosiebull]

If you get your nads ripped off, does that make you trans?

1st day of womanhood post would, and maybe bud light, no nads would be a cool but tragic hunting story

 

[roosiebull]

Lots of folks wound animals every year with anything from trad bows to magnum cartridges. Caliber choice is not the only reason for this dilemma.

Caliber choice never is, bullet choice could be a contributing factor, but wounding animals is almost always a failure behind the recoil pad or arrow.

I guess shooting a Cape buffalo with a 22 short could be a way caliber choice leading to a wounded critter, but within reason, it almost has to be a bad decision/execution by the hunter, with any weapon

People like blaming everything but themselves, but any wounded animal I have seen aside from one catastrophic Broadhead failure have been the human rather than weapon.

There was a time in my life when I was shooting a 60# bow that was completely out of tune, light arrows and cheap broadheads and I was still hell on elk, zero equipment related drama. I would just sight in with broadheads mid summer and practice with them, and that was my level of tuning… I didn’t know better, and neither did the elk.

Blaming equipment for hunter error has been happening forever, i think this thread showcases that well. A little tiny bullet not moving all that fast will reliably wreck large animals

 

[atmat]

Lots of folks wound animals every year with anything from trad bows to magnum cartridges. Caliber choice is not the only reason for this dilemma.

I didn’t say the law is well written as is. The requestor asked for an example of how no restriction could hurt; I gave an example.

Again, I hunt with a 223 where allotted — so I’m not taking a stance against it. I’m just cautioning that we shouldn’t be advertising or promoting the breaking of laws (which is in line with the Rokslide rules as well).

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Advocating breaking the law is just stupid. If you want to speed, then speed. You can join the millions of other Americans turned into petty criminals by stupid laws. Our modern highways and roads have engineer-designed safe speeds.

Most cartridge restrictions fall into an even more arbitrary category than our speed limits, but it is still the law.

Can we get back to you guys posting gruesome pictures of the carnage?


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“Keep on keepin’ on…”

 

[KyleR1985]

Anyone have a recommendation for an SBR gas gun barrel to deliver the 77TMK ?

Twist Rate?

Thinking 10" or 11" length would be ideal.

 

[Kaleb]

Interesting conversation if it can stay civil. The speed limit and roads are a good example. In this small town we have several speed traps. The exact same road and traffic can range from 60 to 45 twice in the same short stretch. A 60 zone with little traffic or the interstate where it’s 70 and safe conditions I don’t feel going 5 over is dangerous. 90% of the time you won’t be stopped either but speeding is speeding.

On the flip side I see people everyday renting equipment and pulling it with a half ton truck. As far as I know it’s legal or at least they don’t get stopped for it. I’ve never heard of a person being inspected or anything from this. A inexperienced driver towing a skid steer with a light truck makes me more concerned than a person using sound judgment about exceeding the speed limit 5mph. Many times I will be below the limit due to conditions of the road traffic weather or if I’m towing something. If I’m driving the car or pickup to Florida and the limit is 70 I may go 75-80. When I’m going west(or south) with a trailer loaded with horses and equipment I maybe going 10 under especially when the limit is 80. Conditions are different if I’m towing a trailer versus driving an empty pickup.

I promise I’m not advocating anyone break laws or become an outlaw. I just feel like being responsible in our individual situations can be as or more beneficial than some laws can be. We use as much or more game meat as anyone I know so I’m certainly not for waisting it. I cringe in the summer when people shoot 10-100 deer in the guts to run out of the field to die. When I do it I shoot them like hunting for multiple reasons and process the meat like I normally would. Both ways of doing things are within the law here.

I admit and understand that most laws are possibly for the irresponsible not the responsible be it driving hunting drinking etc…. But not in anyway saying the laws don’t apply to all. Maybe I should have never replied to this because where I live and the places I’ve hunted the 223 is legal. I’ve also never carried a 22 caliber where it’s not legal. I’ve just basically meant that if some person at a desk decided that my 223 load that has proven itself a hundred times over in the last 10-15 years was no longer legal I would really struggle abiding by that.

Not meant to be rude controversial or offensive. Just conversation is all.

 

[mt terry d]

To play devil’s advocate: folks could use 22LR and end up with lots of wounded animals.

Yes they could. I'll bet virtually no one would.
And I'll bet many more are currently being wounded and lost by people being "over gunned".

I’m personally of the opinion that hunters should be extra careful to follow hunting regulations if for no other reason than to be above reproach with the anti-hunting groups.

I don't GAS about anti-hunters let alone placating them.
Nothing we do as hunters will ever be "above reproach" in their eyes short of quitting hunting.

 

[JackButler]

What trouble would it cause if everyone decided for themselves which cartridge to use?

None. I’m gonna kill 1 deer this year, regardless, so what harm in me starting rifle season while they’re still in velvet?

 

[Steve300xcw]

Damn some of you girls get bent outta shape easy

 

[HandgunHTR]

None. I’m gonna kill 1 deer this year, regardless, so what harm in me starting rifle season while they’re still in velvet?

Come to SC and I can hook you up on that one.

 

[Nine Banger]

Come to SC and I can hook you up on that one.

I was thinking the same thing. Our season starts in 30 days.

I have a new toy I can send a 77gr TMK with.

I'll post up pics when it happens.

 

[walexa07]

This thread has caused me to buy two tikkas in 223 (planning on buying another soon) and I've been very happy with the performance of them and the 223 cartridge on whitetail. My only complaint is that you have to take the rifles off safety to load or unload a chambered live round (it would bother me a little for my use only, but even moreso for my children to use). While that may not bother many, it bothered me and after much searching I found a post on another forum where a fellow hunter found a solution. "Elevatorman" posted this on the other forum:

"Does anyone have an exploded parts diagram or internal parts diagram of the Tikka t3x trigger?
I'm looking at my rifle and see no reason why removing the dumb bolt locking pin to make my rifle alot safer to load and unload while the sears still blocked from moving by the safety. Externally it only engages the bolt and has no safety benefit. Just wanted to review a diagram of the inner workings to be sure there's no internal role it plays and see the easiest way to pop her out with minimal disassembly. I'm positive there's no external safety benefit, Timney makes a replacement trigger lacking the bolt lock pin altogether. I'm 99% sure there's no internal connections. Just want to be sure.
From the outside pics it looks like pulling the circlip off the safety lever, sliding it out to the right, then pulling lock pin out, reassemble in reverse with the spring in its home too. Am I missing anything? I'm hoping it's removable. I'd rather do that so It can be put back vs grinding the top off.

Update:

This works perfectly. The bolt locking pins optional as far as a functioning safety goes. Took me 5 minutes to remove it, no permanent alterations, it can be put back in in 5 minutes if I ever decided.

Just pull the safety lever spring off, use snap ring pliers and remove the circlip off the safety lever, slide the safety lever out some (not all the way) remove bolt lock pin, push safety lever back and put the circlip and safety spring back on.

Now my Tikka operates just like my remington 700. No need to put a live firearm into fire just to load and unload it. Much safer. Not at all concerned about a bolt coming open walking, never has happened in 20 years and if it did I loose one cartridge."

I have recently made this modification on my two tikka rifles and will add a little more information: This modification is easy to implement with only the basic tools to remove the action/barrel from the stock and a set of precision snap ring pliers - for my first rifle I removed the trigger group as I thought it was necessary but was able to complete the modification on the second rifle w/o removing the trigger group from the action. Very easy and the bolt stop pin is not modified and can be re-installed easily. If anyone has any questions let me know and I will do my best to answer.

One final comment/clarification is that this modification in now way affects anything within the trigger group other than the bolt stop. Safety and trigger operation remains unmodified.

I haven't been on this thread past somewhere in the 400 page mark, so I apologize if this modification has been mentioned elsewhere - just wanted to get it out there for anyone that prefers to keep the safety engaged when loading/unloading.

Waylan

 

[Georgedubya]

Just wanted to let everyone know in case interested: Bone Frog Ammunition is good to go. Here is a 20-shot group from a tikka T3x.

 

[Georgedubya]

Just wanted to let everyone know in case interested: Bone Frog Ammunition is good to go. Here is a 20-shot group from a tikka T3x.

(77 TMK loading)

 

[The Harbor Master]

(77 TMK loading)

Nice. Where do you order from? Direct?

 

[cuerro viejo]

Nice. Where do you order from? Direct?

Direct. Been consistent from me also from lot to lot also.


23” tikka. 15 shot 77 TMK 5.56
Bonefrog- 2832 14/44.7