.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[rabbithuntr]

I’ve only used them out of 16 and 18 inch 223s but they’ve been all over the map, unless you can be sure of running them into some pretty heavy bone. They work pretty well if you can steer them into a shoulder knuckle or a hip or neck bone.

The 75 SP from the Hornady AR pistol load is a much more consistent performer IME. Midway has them as 2nds for less than $20/100.

Sample of probably 30 pigs with the BTHP and 25 with the SP.

I got some of the 75 sp and 75 Sabre seconds I’m hoping to try, midway had 75 bthp for $.13 I couldn’t pass that up but I’ll probably just practice with those i wish I could get some 73 eld seconds.

 

[mt terry d]

Why shoot 69gr practice ammo if my hunting ammo is 77gr?

How do you get to Carnegie Hall?

The answer's the same.

 

[Schmo]

How do you get to Carnegie Hall?

Not sure, as I’ve never been there!

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

How do you get to Carnegie Hall?

The answer's the same.

I don’t get it. Shoot a bullet I have no data on, that’s different in weight from my hunting bullet and may zero differently because…practice?

More simple question. Is Remington Premier Match shit or decent?

 

[Cactus kid]

I don’t get it. Shoot a bullet I have no data on, that’s different in weight from my hunting bullet and may zero differently because…practice?

More simple question. Is Remington Premier Match shit or decent?

Because most of the positional work needs reps. Most of us have a budget, so shooting less expensive but similar ammo buys more reps. The accuracy difference and ballistic difference is wash. If you can afford to shoot the hunting stuff at volume, by all means do so. A quick rezero before season is all it takes. Ballistically they will be pretty similar inside 400.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Because most of the positional work needs reps. Most of us have a budget, so shooting less expensive but similar ammo buys more reps. The accuracy difference and ballistic difference is wash. If you can afford to shoot the hunting stuff at volume, by all means do so. A quick rezero before season is all it takes. Ballistically they will be pretty similar inside 400.

But the Norma 69's are $0.75/ea and so are the Remington 77's...

And I typically shoot both the practice ammo and the BH 77 TMK's during the same range sessions.

 

[Nine Banger]

But the Norma 69's are $0.75/ea and so are the Remington 77's...

And I typically shoot both the practice ammo and the BH 77 TMK's during the same range sessions.

IMI Razor Core will drop down to .73/round on Midway even though it currently says "sale" at a higher price. It's 77 HPBT @ 2755fps in my 18" barrel. Primers are crimped so I throw the brass away; if that's important to you.

 

[justinspicher]

What is minimum impact velocity for the hornady 75gr bthp ?
I been hunting with factory 73eldm an my tikka 223. Assuming 1800+ for it.
I got a a lot of the 5.56 FR320. But not sure which be better.


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I have shot smaller game, pdogs, rock chucks, coyotes, and turkeys with a 75gr HPBT with minimal issues from 25-400yds. I only shoot factory ammo, no reloads. With that being said, i have had erratic groups with it so I only use it when I am taking my rifle for a walk. Once I am out of 75s, I will use only 77s.

 

[JJ3]

Probably the 75 Gold Dot, which is the same as the 75 used in Federal Fusion

I have read this a lot BUT….why do the heavy solids get so much hate in comparison? Seems to me they would be of similar performance needed speed for best results.

For context I have successfully used 73eld, 77tmk, 62 fusions, 55 soft points on whitetail.

 

[Schmo]

I have read this a lot BUT….why do the heavy solids get so much hate in comparison? Seems to me they would be of similar performance needed speed for best results.

For context I have successfully used 73eld, 77tmk, 62 fusions, 55 soft points on whitetail.

Heavy is going to penetrate farther. And in the case of fragmentation, a heavier has more mass to fragment, so more penetration

 

[JJ3]

Heavy is going to penetrate farther. And in the case of fragmentation, a heavier has more mass to fragment, so more penetration

Bonded and solids don’t typically fragment correct?

What makes a bonded lead core better than a solid copper of the same weight?

 

[mt terry d]

I don’t get it.

Practice.

The trajectory and wind hold may be different but everything else involved is the same

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Practice.

The trajectory and wind hold may be different but everything else involved is the same

Just seems unnecessary to shoot a 69gr SMK at $0.75/ea that may zero differently when 77gr SMK's are also $0.75/ea. Especially when I'm shooting the 77gr TMK during the same range session.

If the Remington ammo is pure garbage that would be one thing.

 

[Formidilosus]

Just seems unnecessary to shoot a 69gr SMK at $0.75/ea that may zero differently when 77gr SMK's are also $0.75/ea. Especially when I'm shooting the 77gr TMK during the same range session.

If the Remington ammo is pure garbage that would be one thing.

Sure. But more than likely the zero between your 77gr TMK ammo and the 77gr SMK ammo will be just as different as the 69gr.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Sure. But more than likely the zero between your 77gr TMK ammo and the 77gr SMK ammo will be just as different as the 69gr.

Possibly. The Norma and BH zeroed within a tenth of each other.

Same day, same conditions, back to back




Different day with a few more rounds of TMK in the group.

 

[HandgunHTR]

Bonded and solids don’t typically fragment correct?

What makes a bonded lead core better than a solid copper of the same weight?

The bonded bullet, while it may not fragment as much, will still open up at slower speeds and pretty reliably. Mono's have a history of not expanding much at all once you drop below about 2200 fps. So, if you are talking about the .223 specifically that is the difference in having a 400 yard gun and having a 200 yard gun (75 grain Gold Dot vs 70 grain CX)

 

[JJ3]

That makes some sense….gonna try them this season.

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[omicron1792]

That makes some sense….gonna try them this season.

Federal Factory Second Fusion 22 Cal (224 Diameter) Bullets 75 Grain

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Fusion is a great bullet imo.

 

[medvedyt]

Stabbing spears, not throwing spears… Although a stabbing spear can be thrown accurately enough out to 9 yards.

Before it became illegal in BC I spear hunted bears (successfully) some when I would find one in a good spot for the stalk.

done spears with wild boars wounded in europe to avoid dogs to be well wounded and it is a sport not made for everyone as the boars are aiming your legs and what you have between (needless to say that part shrinks way more than going in freezing water lol) but it is one of the best way to learn if you can or cannot do it ...

 

[Pharmseller]

done spears with wild boars wounded in europe to avoid dogs to be well wounded and it is a sport not made for everyone as the boars are aiming your legs and what you have between (needless to say that part shrinks way more than going in freezing water lol) but it is one of the best way to learn if you can or cannot do it ...

Maybe not the best way to learn you can’t do it.


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