.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Nine Banger]

FYI guys, XBR 8208 is in stock this morning at Natchez

Thanks for the head's up.

 

[Matt5266]

Promo code P250220 will take off 8% if you buy atleast 2 pounds. Also active junky has 3% cash back. It still came out to $160.00 for 2 pounds for me after shipping and hazmat. I dont need it that bad so I passed.

 

[Erussell01]

Regardless of what bullet you use in .223 the possibility of a blood trail is very random, but less likely with the 77TMK. There is no .223 bullet that Ive used (most of the bullets mentioned in this thread and more) that will reliably leave a good blood trail. Ive shot 56 deer this year and only a few would have been trackable through a blood trail. If the bullet is too hard you get a small exit and no blood, and if too soft no exit and no blood. The best for blood (but not necessarily killing) have been mid weight lead tip like 62grn Norma (very similar to 62 grn Sierra Game King) and 60 grn Hammers (driven very fast).

56 as fifty six!?

My man, I'm jealous. Imagine all them backstraps

 

[Tahr]

56 as fifty six!?

My man, I'm jealous. Imagine all them backstraps

Final tally was 74 deer for the year. 12 so far this year. Majority with .223. Most of the deer go to a couple of charities, but I do keep the back steaks for ourselves and friends.

This was the last one. Some of the meat collecting is done at night. 80 yards. Too easy. 80 grn Berger custom.

 

[HighUintas]

Does anyone have a verified BC from drops out to 600 for the Hornady 75 bthp w cannelure?

 

[hrhunter]

The best 223 bullet for penetration I have ever seen was the nosler 64 gr trophy bonded bear claw out of the FBI duty load. It is barrier blind and just keeps going.

It looks like a little hard cast 45-70 the way it penetrates everything and never turns right or left.

I would shoot elk with it no problem.

 

[Hoosker Doo]

The best 223 bullet for penetration I have ever seen was the nosler 64 gr trophy bonded bear claw out of the FBI duty load. It is barrier blind and just keeps going.

It looks like a little hard cast 45-70 the way it penetrates everything and never turns right or left.

I would shoot elk with it no problem.

That's some good info on that bullet.

However, the point of this whole thread is that if your shooting animals with a small bullet and want them to die quickly, it needs to fragment and create larger wound channel throughout the chest cavity.

A 2"- 4" wound cavity that only goes to the opposite side of the rib cage is better than a .75" wound cavity that goes all the way through and continues on to use its enrgy to put a hole in the dirt behind the animal.

 

[BigNate]

Does anyone have a verified BC from drops out to 600 for the Hornady 75 bthp w cannelure?

Drops are basically only verified by you in your gun. Barrels differ, and muzzle velocity is the baseline. You can get pretty close by shooting at various distances, plugging the info in an app to fill in the blanks.

 

[HighUintas]

Drops are basically only verified by you in your gun. Barrels differ, and muzzle velocity is the baseline. You can get pretty close by shooting at various distances, plugging the info in an app to fill in the blanks.

Not asking for drops. Asking for a verified BC as a starting point. The BC AAC lists is 3.98, which is actually Hornady's 75 bthp match (no cannelure). Tech on the phone told me there wouldn't be much difference.

I should note this is AAC's 5.56 75bthp, so about 2641 avg from my 16" barrel

 

[Pharmseller]

The best 223 bullet for penetration I have ever seen was the nosler 64 gr trophy bonded bear claw out of the FBI duty load. It is barrier blind and just keeps going.

It looks like a little hard cast 45-70 the way it penetrates everything and never turns right or left.

I would shoot elk with it no problem.

I think you are talking about a different bullet. Nosler doesn’t make the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet.




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[sebastian.cassell]

So Jim's (Backfire) latest video is something that I have been thinking about creating for a while. Especially after reading through 500+ pages of 223 info. Objectively the test seemed fair, 200 yard ballistic gel shot through some plastic with water and bird seed to replicate bone and some tissue. 243, 6.5cm, 270, 7prc and 300wm all shooting the eldx for that caliber. The bigger 3 calibers all seemed to do similar things and I fully expected the 243 with the same bullet construction to have a similar result. However that was not the case. What am I missing? I am in the camp that bullet design and expansion speed threshold is what kills and not just the sum of calculated kinetic energy. Please shoot holes in the testing objectively and subjectively for me to see what is going on with the different results.

 

[st1650]

Be interesting to see that same test with the 22 creed.

 

[ElPollo]

Be interesting to see that same test with the 22 creed.

It’d be interesting to see the same test without the bird seed, with real organic gel, and with a reasonable sample size. Tests like this are what you see from people who don’t understand the FBI protocols.

 

[Skerhunter]

It’d be interesting to see the same test without the bird seed, with real organic gel, and with a reasonable sample size. Tests like this are what you see from people who don’t understand the FBI protocols.

I agree - do it right and shoot at a reasonable hunting distance or it’s kind of a waste of time. You could through in some bones for an additional test for some flair.

There is a ton of real data that can’t be disputed on this thread and others.

 

[PNWGATOR]

It’d be interesting to see the same test without the bird seed, with real organic gel, and with a reasonable sample size. Tests like this are what you see from people who don’t understand the FBI protocols.

Bingo.

 

[TxxAgg]

It’d be interesting to see the same test without the bird seed, with real organic gel, and with a reasonable sample size. Tests like this are what you see from people who don’t understand the FBI protocols.

Yeah that guy is a goober. It's wild that he has such a following.

 

[BCsteve]

I think you are talking about a different bullet. Nosler doesn’t make the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet.




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Ya, that was a Federal load.

 

[Erussell01]

Boys i tried the search function but I need help

Anybody used the hornady black 75 grain interlock (not BTHP) 5.56

I grabbed 3 boxes locally and it shoots lights out of my gun. Every bit as consistent as the 75 grain bthp blacl box, but curious as to performance. It is techincally the SBR stuff, but it appears to be shooting similar speed at 100,200 and 300 because I didn't have to correct for drop.

Curious to everybody's experience

If it sucks I'll just buy 73eldm and get off rhe internet

 

[Pharmseller]

Ya, that was a Federal load.

I’ll bet he’s talking about the Nosler 64 grain Bonded Solid Base.





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[HairyScandinavian]

Boys i tried the search function but I need help

Anybody used the hornady black 75 grain interlock (not BTHP) 5.56

I grabbed 3 boxes locally and it shoots lights out of my gun. Every bit as consistent as the 75 grain bthp blacl box, but curious as to performance. It is techincally the SBR stuff, but it appears to be shooting similar speed at 100,200 and 300 because I didn't have to correct for drop.

Curious to everybody's experience

If it sucks I'll just buy 73eldm and get off rhe internet

I used that in my pistol, seems to be OK all around. It's SLOW though, think box speed is like 2,200 fps if memory serves but maybe they're publishing that based off of SBR/pistol tests??? I didn't chrono it. We think we could actually see it with the naked eye shooting at night with bright lights. I figure the interlock should be great for pigs and such.