.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Matt5266]

Play the freaking lottery man.

No joke. First time I've ever had luck with a WTB add (local gun page not Rokslide) and been offered a good deal. I have another guy that has 1 lb that also said he would sell it for $45. I'm gonna grab it too.

 

[SamsonMan22]

I'm seeing some people report up to 26grs with 77s. I was just curious because it's usually available and cheaper

24.5-26.5 seems to be the range, I haven’t run up to 26.5 but at 26 I didn’t have any issues however the temps were cooler. I haven’t done a ton of testing with it yet but it will be my new go to powder once I’m out of TAC and 8208. I loaded 20 at 25g and 20 at 26g the grouping at 25g was within .1 of my 8208 loads but about 70fps slower, bumping to 26g only gained me 20fps but the group opened up to where I wasn’t thrilled so I didn’t bother with 26.5g.

It’s a good powder to work with due to price and availability, if I wanted to spend the extra Benchmark would be what I would look for within the available powders. H4895 is THE powder in my opinion followed closely by 8208 but both are about impossible to find and too expensive for the volume of shooting I do.

 

[Timo494]

Not sure why y'all are obsessed with the big boomers like the .223 rem. I hate meat damage so its just 17hmr with expoldy tips for me!

 

[atmat]

Not sure why y'all are obsessed with the big boomers like the .223 rem. I hate meat damage so its just 17hmr with expoldy tips for me!

Cause we don’t shoot magnums. Duh.

 

[Nomosendero]

Not sure why y'all are obsessed with the big boomers like the .223 rem. I hate meat damage so its just 17hmr with expoldy tips for me!

Pics of game taken with those orrr!

 

[Duh]

Man the new episode of the hornady podcast is trash. They have some good info in there such as how their bullets work - VELOCITY and they give numbers for eldx, cx, and one other one - and not energy. Way too much fudd lore with magnum or bust. If it kills a deer it'll kill and elk. There is no such thing as an elk bullet vs a deer bullet.

Listening to the podcast now and I agree that it’s garbage. The guide they have on as the guest is hard to listen to.

His dislike of the 30-06 is very ill informed.

 

[Steve300xcw]

You mind sharing how much lever?

with 75's I bet you will end up around 26gr of lever

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Do the numbered shots in this show the actual shot sequence? I ask because this is actually a really unusual group if that's the case. Very little variation shot-to-shot. The group just walks along shot to shot in a circle. Three more shots you'd have been back to where you started.

Not that guy but I use the same app. Doubt it’s the sequence of the shots. When I mark impacts with it I just go in a circle like that.

 

[5811]

Here's the only 10 shot group I did today with the AAC Sabre Black Tip. Not bad for $0.60/ea. No idea how they will work on game, but good practice ammo at least.




Shot even better out of my Stag super varminter. (AR-15 24" bull barrel, 1/8tw)

 

[The Guide]

My kids just got called and activated for a damage hunt on whitetail does for next weekend. I'm going to see how the AAC 75 grain Sabre Blade Black Tips shoot in the RAR and maybe get some data points for performance on game. That rifle is very accurate with the 73 ELDM ammo so we might be able to get some additional data points with that bullet too.

Jay

To follow up, did not get a chance to shoot the AAC 75 Sabre ammo in the RAR before the hunt so we used the factory Hornady 73 ELDM @ a muzzle velocity of 2534 fps. My daughter shot 2 whitetail does with the 73 ELDM ammo.

Doe #1: 198 yards. Impact velocity 2108 fps. Bullet hit probably the "worst" spot on the should at the junction of the scapula and the humerus. The bullet blew up the joint, broke a rib, and lodged in the heart. Deer ran 15 yards and flopped doing the running man on its side for seconds.

Doe #2: 230 yards. Impact velocity 2048 fps. Bullet went in right behind the crease and hit no bone going in. There was a 0.75 to 1.5 inch hole through the lungs and the bullet hit a rib on the way out, leaving a 2+ inch exit. Doe jumped a fence and ran 40 yards leaving a large blood trail that could be easily followed even in green grass and dropped within sight.

Impressed with the performance of the 73 ELDM at these impact velocities. From the Ruger American Ranch with the 16.1" barrel, this ammo hits 1800 fps at 350 yards which is more than enough for most hunting scenarios and most shooters abilities.

Unfortunately, due to how they wanted the hunt run (controlled damage hunt) I did not get any necropsy photos. We could not gut the deer in the hunting fields and had to load them up and take them to a separate area to gut. I got all the deer the 3 hunters shot loaded up and moved to the approved area I was dark and still hot. I was worried about meat quality more than pictures. My wife helped where she could and kept the bugs off from me. We got all deer deboned and in the cooler on ice in 2.5 hours. No time to think about pictures. If we shoot anymore when it isn't 90⁰+ I'll get some photos.

Jay

 

[Dioni A]

This was all balled up under the hide on the off side of my deer from this weekend. 88 Grain ELDM at 63 yd starting out at 3250 from a 22 Creed. Wasn't as impressed from the first shot. Right behind the shoulder I would have thought it took out heart and lungs. Definitely would have been fatal. deer went maybe 40 yards and bedded down. Talked with @Formidilosus and we concluded that when he bedded it sealed the chest cavity enough to let him keep breathing. He would have died pretty quickly but within a few minutes I got to where I could see him again and put another one in him. That's the one we're looking at in this picture.


This shows the entry from the first shot. Didn't open up the chest cavity to see what it looked like.

 

[WIDrake]

It's at a Scheels, good luck on the scavenger hunt folks! Stainless even!

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

It's at a Scheels, good luck on the scavenger hunt folks! Stainless even!

Picked one up for ~$120 cheaper online including shipping recently.

 

[turbo406]

It's at a Scheels, good luck on the scavenger hunt folks! Stainless even!

Billings had several for 619 a month ago 8 twist stainless

 

[The Guide]

Billings had several for 619 a month ago 8 twist stainless

I looked when I was there last weekend and there were none at that price or I would have brought one home.

Jay

 

[ztc92]

Billings had several for 619 a month ago 8 twist stainless

I shared this deal with a friend who went to get one then but in the time from when I saw them to when he got there, they had changed it to only the blued version. I had a photo of the price tag at $619 but they wouldn’t honor it for my friend as that serial number had been sold. Hell of a deal while it was there!

 

[turbo406]

I shared this deal with a friend who went to get one then but in the time from when I saw them to when he got there, they had changed it to only the blued version. I had a photo of the price tag at $619 but they wouldn’t honor it for my friend as that serial number had been sold. Hell of a deal while it was there!

I snagged one of them, they said they had a few available I should have grabbed a couple of them. I traded in a shit 22 mag that I needed outta my safe and walked out for 419 bucks with a rail on it

 

[Big_wals]

Got another pig with the 75 gr AAC Sabre last night. First shot was at 100ish yards quartering away, knocked him down and then he got back up and started running at an angle toward me. Second shot hit guts, third was in the chest and stopped him.

First shot on the left, quartering away. Last shot on the right, quartering toward.




Both bullets hit a rib going in, neither one made it to the opposite rib cage. Maybe 7ish inches of penetration. I forgot my scale at home, but he was a good sized boar, just under five feet long from nose to butt. Abou a 3/4 inch thick shield. Been killing a few hogs with the Sabres, they kill stuff but I would like a little deeper penetration. Haven’t got a chance yet to shoot one at longer range and see how they perform at lower velocities, so far everything has been inside of 125 yards.

 

[Formidilosus]

The Sabres are a 75gr V-Max. So, expect heavy varmint bullet performance.

 

[9.3koolaid]

The Sabres are a 75gr V-Max. So, expect heavy varmint bullet performance.

Less penetration than a tmk or eld?