.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[redneckbmxer24]

Good dies are not a waste of money, they're an investment into what makes straight ammo. Cheap dies simply are not made to the same tolerances as higher end ones. I did a lot of testing of ammo loaded on different dies and presses during the stages of loading with a concentricity gauge and they absolutely do make a difference which translates into more accurate ammo. Forster and Redding dies consistently produced the straightest cases and loaded ammo.

 

[amassi]

If your measuring concentricity then sure you’ll be happier with bougie dies. You probably suffer sleepless nights over sd/es and measure the seating force on your MacBook and have a $650 cps primer measuring primer depth
The effects on target are minimal ala waste of money


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[amassi]

If your measuring concentricity then sure you’ll be happier with bougie dies. You probably suffer sleepless nights over sd/es and measure the seating force on your MacBook and have a $650 cps primer measuring primer depth
The effects on target are minimal ala waste of money


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[redneckbmxer24]

You should go over to accurate shooter or snipershide and educate everyone about how straight ammo and low ES/SD's make no difference on target. Or better yet show up at a match and get educated.

 

[amassi]

Cool - since we’re not shooting f class irrelevant but
Why don’t you educate us?
What is the difference in moa per es/sd ?
How about concentricity?
Then what is that difference between a Redding die ($49) and a forester die($119)
Obviously it’s measurable and repeatable so enlighten us unwashed masses


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[redneckbmxer24]

The difference is shooting groups in the .1's at 100 yards and putting rounds in the same splash on an IPSC at 1000 yards vs just hitting it.

If you're happy with 1MOA then carry on with cheap dies. I personally want to know my round is going to be as accurate as can be when I send a round at something because stacking variables is how you miss or make poor shots.

 

[amassi]

Haha show all your .1s with your hunting rifle
Also what’s the change in hit probability between .1 groups and .7 groups in field conditions on deer size vitals?


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[redneckbmxer24]

Today isn't the day I choose to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[amassi]

I love when people come In spouting nonsense and can’t back any of it up. Sorry for detailing the thread l.


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[robtattoo]

The difference is shooting groups in the .1's at 100 yards and putting rounds in the same splash on an IPSC at 1000 yards vs just hitting it.

If you're happy with 1MOA then carry on with cheap dies. I personally want to know my round is going to be as accurate as can be when I send a round at something because stacking variables is how you miss or make poor shots.

Your Groups Are Too Small

Thought this was a great discussion about group sizes. Especially chasing a zero. Recommend anyone take a listen.

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[atmat]

You should go over to accurate shooter or snipershide and educate everyone about how straight ammo and low ES/SD's make no difference on target. Or better yet show up at a match and get educated.

Aren’t you the same guy who said Leupold scopes are better than SWFA?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

If you can't understand that stacking variables of rifle accuracy on top of shooter error and wind error reduces hit probability and that eliminating as many variables as possible increases it then there's no getting through to you. 3 people on the ignore list in an hour has to be some kind of a record though.

 

[fwafwow]

I love when people come In spouting nonsense and can’t back any of it up. Sorry for detailing the thread l.


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No need to apologize. Keeps the threads interesting

 

[Formidilosus]

If you can't understand that stacking variables of rifle accuracy on top of shooter error and wind error reduces hit probability and that eliminating as many variables as possible increases it then there's no getting through to you. 3 people on the ignore list in an hour has to be some kind of a record though.

What is the hit rate difference between .1 MOA and .7 MOA groups at 600 yards on vital size targets (12”)?

And, how many .1 MOA hunting rifles you got?

 

[fwafwow]

If you can't understand that stacking variables of rifle accuracy on top of shooter error and wind error reduces hit probability and that eliminating as many variables as possible increases it then there's no getting through to you. 3 people on the ignore list in an hour has to be some kind of a record though.

I will guess what is intended and say it another way. Hunters acknowledge the myriad of variables, but also believe there are some variables that have such a small impact, and perhaps some of those are difficult to eliminate, that they use an 80/20 (or analogous) rule?

 

[atmat]

What is the hit rate difference between .1 MOA and .7 MOA groups at 600 yards on vital size targets (12”)?

And, how many .1 MOA hunting rifles you got?

Be careful, you might get ignored and increase his record to 4 in 1 hour.

 

[Gorp2007]

When I'm shooting offhand and miss a 7 MOA target, I can guarantee it's got nothing to do with the fact that my 10 round groups are only 1.2"

 

[Jimbee]

Another vote for the cheapest dies, Lee.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I will guess what is intended and say it another way. Hunters acknowledge the myriad of variables, but also believe there are some variables that have such a small impact, and perhaps some of those are difficult to eliminate, that they use an 80/20 (or analogous) rule?

They all add up and spending $50 more for a quality set of dies and the time to get straight ammo with low ES's to reduce the accuracy variable is pretty easy. People in here will pay over MSRP to get 77gr TMK's just because they're available for that price, but a quality set of dies is nonsense.

 

[gman82001]

And here I’m the one who lost my WKR status