.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Row vs Wade]

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This should be a good to go whitetail hunting round out of 14.5 AR up to around 350-400 yards?

 

[Marshfly]

Been flipping through a lot of this thread. Came across it after I traded a Ruger American 7mm-08 for an older Howa 1500 heavy barrel 223 a few days ago.

Now I feel like I gotta trade again for something with a twist that isn't 1:12 like the darn Howa. Arrggghh.

 

[Juan_ID]

This should be a good to go whitetail hunting round out of 14.5 AR up to around 350-400 yards?

Don’t see why it wouldn’t work just fine as long as it’s still cruising around 1800fps at that distance.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Been flipping through a lot of this thread. Came across it after I traded a Ruger American 7mm-08 for an older Howa 1500 heavy barrel 223 a few days ago.

Now I feel like I gotta trade again for something with a twist that isn't 1:12 like the darn Howa. Arrggghh.

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1:12 is a deal breaker. Even 1:9 is too slow

 

[Marshfly]

1:12 is a deal breaker. Even 1:9 is too slow

I'm realizing that. But really, this is a fun gun just to shoot the hell out of for me and my son that's cheap to feed. I have hunting rigs.

 

[Marshfly]

Ok screw it. Going to keep this Howa (as long as it's a shooter) because it looks cool for my son to shoot and get a Tikka in 223. Because why shouldn't we both have cheap to shoot guns.

 

[Steve300xcw]

1:12 is a deal breaker. Even 1:9 is too slow

1:9 wouldnt scare me off of a rifle I wanted. Might not be launching long dong 70+ grainers at stuff. But its far from handicapped.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

1:9 wouldnt scare me off of a rifle I wanted. Might not be launching long dong 70+ grainers at stuff. But its far from handicapped.

Those 70+ grain bullets kill super well. It's kinda the premise of this entire thread to shoot the heavies.

 

[mcr-85]

Wouldn't the velocity and altitude have quite a bit to do with the stability of the 77s in a 1-9? I have a 22-250ai that is a 1-9 that I have considered shooting them in. It shoots the 69 tmk really well

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[chamois]

Which bullet do you like more ? The TMK or ELDm ? I’ve got a 1-8 22-250 I’ve only shot 77gr TMK’s out of

For what I have seen so far the 77TMK is a better killer than the 88ELD. It provided plenty of penetration, destroyed more tissue, and produced faster kills than the 88ELDM. These gave greater penetration and much narrower wounds along the bullet path.
I did not use them on this trip but by my experience shooting deer with them I'd rather shoot the 75ELDMs better then the 88s.
The disclaimer is that I only shot 17 animals this time due to nasty weather during 5 of the 7 day hunt, so the results could be biased due to the small sample.

 

[KenLee]

Ok screw it. Going to keep this Howa (as long as it's a shooter) because it looks cool for my son to shoot and get a Tikka in 223. Because why shouldn't we both have cheap to shoot guns.

Try the 60 gr Partitions.
My BLR 22-250 with 1 in 14 twist shoots them ok and blows quarter size exits in the far shoulder. May be good from your Howa 223.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Wouldn't the velocity and altitude have quite a bit to do with the stability of the 77s in a 1-9? I have a 22-250ai that is a 1-9 that I have considered shooting them in. It shoots the 69 tmk really well

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Yes those factors matter in general, but they're probably not going to matter enough to make a 77gr bullet stabilize in a 9 twist 223 barrel. 22-250 has a huge speed edge on the 223, and the 69 tmk is shorter/ lighter than the 77 tmk.

JBM - Calculations - Stability

www.jbmballistics.com

 

[MEdude]

What are the findings among those with experience with both bullets:
Is there a significant performance difference between the 77 TMK and the 88 ELD, given equal terminal velocity above 2000 fps?

 

[amassi]

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What are the findings among those with experience with both bullets:
Is there a significant performance difference between the 77 TMK and the 88 ELD, given equal terminal velocity above 2000 fps?

Not that I can tell, if I had to pick one and be done with it it would be the 88 only due to availability


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[Old-Cat]

I’m in February of 2023 after sporadically reading for about a week and a half; all I can say is, this thread has some of most diverse real world data related to actual bullet performance I’ve seen on any forum , truly impressive peoples. Bravo!


Now, I’ve seen this thread on the “new post” for the year or so I’ve been on here, and truth be told, I pooh poohed it. Why would I ever consider such a small round, after all, I wanna humanely take animals?


A weekend or two ago I listen episode 64 of the Hornady podcast, and I stumbled across this thread while the info they presented was fresh on my mind. How exactly does an animal die? What systems need to be affected, etc.? All this made me think of frangible bullets and shot placement, and here comes this thread, my mind is blown. Again, Bravo!

 

[Marshfly]

So, shot the cool looking Howa 223 today. So much fun. Shocked at the SWFA 6x42. Was easily ringing 6" plates at 300yds.

Just hit the button on another 6x42 so I can get in the backorder line and headed to the local shops tomorrow to see who has a Tikka 223 in stock.

 

[bojangles808]

broke in my rokslide special the other day. should have taken more pics.
90 yards. 73 grain eldm went about 20 yards

 

[Ryan Avery]

broke in my rokslide special the other day. should have taken more pics.
90 yards. 73 grain eldm went about 20 yards
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Are those the new UM Tikka Rings?

 

[bojangles808]

Are those the new UM Tikka Rings?

no : / to84s

 

[4090Sharps]

After reading @Marshfly's issue with a slow twist Howa (turns out it's a short action, not a Mini) I'm offering up my Howa Mini 1:8" .223 takeoff barrel for anyone cursed with one of the early (2015-2020ish?) 1:9" twist Howa Minis. If that describes one you reading this, send me a message and we'll work out shipping.

Edit: barrel has been spoken for.