22 creedmoor vs 6 creedmoor for sub 600 yard Big game?

[khuber84]

Right on looking good iv been out with my 22 cm a bunch im up to 180 rounds thru it running the 80.5 berger at 3265 fps it tears coyotes real bad and dose a number on black bears as well farthest was 525 yards.

What is your barrel length for that velocity? My 18in with a bat action is pretty spicy above 3150 with 88s. I have a 22in 22gt that shoots marvelous at 3150 with the 85.5s.

 

[bcmntgoathunter.]

What is your barrel length for that velocity? My 18in with a bat action is pretty spicy above 3150 with 88s. I have a 22in 22gt that shoots marvelous at 3150 with the 85.5s.

22" 1-8 twist proof using n555 fed 210 match primers and alpha munitions brass 2.633"coal

 

[Norm555]

I know this thread is a bit older but I’m considering 22 vs 6 creedmoor myself. I’m in California and need to use monos so looking at the McGuire or hammer bullets. I really want a low recoiling rifle to hunt deer, pigs, coyotes, and maybe elk out to 600 yards. Should I go 22 or 6 creed?

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

I know this thread is a bit older but I’m considering 22 vs 6 creedmoor myself. I’m in California and need to use monos so looking at the McGuire or hammer bullets. I really want a low recoiling rifle to hunt deer, pigs, coyotes, and maybe elk out to 600 yards. Should I go 22 or 6 creed?

Sounds like a perfect application for the 22 Creed and a Copper Rose 71g.

 

[bcmntgoathunter.]

For elk 6mm creedmore for sure with a 108 eldm or 105 berger vld ...

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

For elk 6mm creedmore for sure with a 108 eldm or 105 berger vld ...

@mxgsfmdpx Apparently your 55” moose w/ 1 shot at 525 yards was insufficiently killed with the 22 CM & 80 ELD-X

 

[bcmntgoathunter.]

@mxgsfmdpx Apparently your 55” moose w/ 1 shot at 525 yards was insufficiently killed with the 22 CM & 80 ELD-X

Im not saying it dosnt work... is it ideal nope. I ran quiet a few bullets out of my 22 cm 80.5 berger,80 eldx,80 eldm,70 accubond and 88 eldm by far the 2 best were the 88 eldm and 80.5 berger killed a few black bears with it and it took mule deer for a few buddies let them use the rifle while I watched... I prefer a bit bigger bullet my self. Iv since gone back to the 6.5mm with 140s as a baseline.

 

[SouthPaw]

I know this thread is a bit older but I’m considering 22 vs 6 creedmoor myself. I’m in California and need to use monos so looking at the McGuire or hammer bullets. I really want a low recoiling rifle to hunt deer, pigs, coyotes, and maybe elk out to 600 yards. Should I go 22 or 6 creed?

Just keep in mind the 71gr copper rose needs a 7 twist barrel so if you ever plan to go out of state you will risk jacketed lead bullets coming apart with high RPMs from a 22cm. You could do a 7.5 or 8 twist and shoot the 79gr DRT or a lighter Hammer in CA. If the gun is only for CA and copper monos, 7 twist 22cm is great.

The 6cm gives a bit more forgiveness in that regard if you do want to go out of state with it. A 7 twist allows you to shoot the 100gr PVA, 93gr McGuire, 89gr Apex, etc. and also shoots the heavy 6mm lead bullets at a lower velocity than the 22cm, thus lower RPMs. The 93gr McGuire might also work in a 7.5tw depending on DA. The 6mm also gets you past any 22 caliber restrictions out of state.

 

[justin davis]

Anyone question is.. should a guy have 1 of each?

 

[khuber84]

93 Copper rose do just fine in a 7.5tw 6cm 3k DA. They shoot really well once I sorted the bullets by base to ogive. I use comperator that accepts neck bushings for my base to ogive number, in a 6mm I use a 241 bushing. There is definitely variation in the copper rose bullets with my bushing sizes that are close to bearing diameter, but if you go to say a 237 bushing, all the variation is gone, the coal of the bullets is very consistent. I never saw the base to ogive variations in hammer bullets I've tested.

 

[Norm555]

Just keep in mind the 71gr copper rose needs a 7 twist barrel so if you ever plan to go out of state you will risk jacketed lead bullets coming apart with high RPMs from a 22cm. You could do a 7.5 or 8 twist and shoot the 79gr DRT or a lighter Hammer in CA. If the gun is only for CA and copper monos, 7 twist 22cm is great.

The 6cm gives a bit more forgiveness in that regard if you do want to go out of state with it. A 7 twist allows you to shoot the 100gr PVA, 93gr McGuire, 89gr Apex, etc. and also shoots the heavy 6mm lead bullets at a lower velocity than the 22cm, thus lower RPMs. The 93gr McGuire might also work in a 7.5tw depending on DA. The 6mm also gets you past any 22 caliber restrictions out of state.

Are there any issues shooting the 80 eldm with a 7 twist? I’d definitely go with a 7 twist for the copper bullets but would be nice to have the option to shoot lead at times.

 

[TradLife406]

22 where legal

 

[Grizzle]

Are there any issues shooting the 80 eldm with a 7 twist? I’d definitely go with a 7 twist for the copper bullets but would be nice to have the option to shoot lead at times.

So far so good with 88 eldms at 3075 from a 7 twist

 

[handwerk]

How much do you factor in barrel life between the two chamberings?

 

[amassi]

Are there any issues shooting the 80 eldm with a 7 twist? I’d definitely go with a 7 twist for the copper bullets but would be nice to have the option to shoot lead at times.

Possibly
I don’t have an issue over a couple(7-8?) 1:7 barrels from Mcgowen, pac not, preferred barrel blanks or Carbon Six
I was using 1:7 to also load CA friendly 77 lrx
Some users report they popped some 80 and 88s with 1:7 twist which then began a series of discussions on bore size, groove count, and reamer. This was in the dark ages where there was 80 stinking reamer prints floating around freebore all over the place so who knows.

If you want a dual purpose CA and everywhere else gun it’s tough to beat either of the small bore creeds, I’d Lean towards a 6 but only slightly.


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[Fireflyfishing]

Having both is the correct answer.

 

[mtnbound]

I know this thread is a bit older but I’m considering 22 vs 6 creedmoor myself. I’m in California and need to use monos so looking at the McGuire or hammer bullets. I really want a low recoiling rifle to hunt deer, pigs, coyotes, and maybe elk out to 600 yards. Should I go 22 or 6 creed?

Have both, and I like both. If I had to choose one, it would be the 6CM/243 just because of more bullet choices, and while developing loads for my 22CM has been easy, you can find more posts where folks are having or have had issues developing 22CM loads as compared to 6CM/243 loads.

 

[Norm555]

How much do you factor in barrel life between the two chamberings?

Barrel life is a low priority for me. Now I gotta figure out what barrel contour for my tikka and whether I want to jump on buying a new stock. How much difference in recoil are people seeing between the 22 and 6 creedmoor? Is that pretty negligible?

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

Barrel life is a low priority for me. Now I gotta figure out what barrel contour for my tikka and whether I want to jump on buying a new stock. How much difference in recoil are people seeing between the 22 and 6 creedmoor? Is that pretty negligible?

There’s a 25% ish difference in recoil. 2-3 ft lbs difference between the two, ie 9 vs 11. Used a 88 @ 3,000 and a 112 @ 2900. Same rifle weight.
Sounds significant, but a 6 is still very manageable.

Go with a Tikka contour barrel. No need for anything heavier unless you want to add weight to the rifle.

 

[Remington1]

I like the 22 CM with a 1:7 twist shooting the 95 gn bullets. Better bc than the 6 CM shooting the same weight bullets. Jumping up to the 112 gn .243 bullets I went with a 240 weatherby with 1:8 twist.