1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

Ah, that approach makes total sense, and I completely agree. Especially with the nature of Fudd-lore and how things get locked into the common understandings. With certain organizations, you also get what I call snapshot insights, where outside observers see one thing one time or in one particular period, and make sweeping judgements or declarations about how things are. Not realizing that at that level, it might be an experimental/evaluation thing, a mission-specific setup, or even just someone's personal preference.

That's all part of why I posted that video - it's hard to find good, first-person info out of certain places like Delta, especially spanning eras. The 1990s were an entirely different world from post-9/11 - organizationally, operationally, equipment. Everything. And there were a lot fewer guys in those units back then, so the insights are harder to come by than from post-9/11 pros. Vickers and Pannone are the only ones I'm aware of that have spoken openly online about how the unit's 1911s were built. After 9/11, capabilities evolution and often both physical and mission expansion all just hit light speed, full generations' worth of change in just a decade. Which included going away from 1911s, for the reasons Pannone mentioned. It was good to see a little more of that real-world 1911 institutional knowledge preserved.

Edit: I didn't read any of the comments in that video, but it was interesting to see what you mentioned. The vibe I got from Eli's silence was more stunned awe than anything else.
Agreed.

Am guessing you've seen the Vickers Deltal podcast? Here for those who haven't, just to add to the discussion:

 
I discovered that LOK has released their APS grips for the P211 so naturally I ordered some brass ones for mine. This'll be my 4th set of grips for it since I'm just continually experimenting with ergonomics for fun.
 
Checking new mags. First bill drill is speed to shoot all X’s on the B8 bull (1.35”). Second is max speed to the black (5.5”).

Both from concealment.

1st= 3.14 sec all rounds in sub 1.5”.

2nd= 1.98 sec, all in the black.


Good lord man. Is that 7yds or so? And that is a 45 correct?
 
I want this with a tiny 2 inch barrel, no top rail, and an extended rail below the short suppressor friendly barrel for hanging an x300 off


Or this with fo sights
 
You can always start one!!
I’d love to get your thoughts on your 22 once the thread is up.
I'm just an unskilled dork that likes nice stuff, please don't over index on my opinion. But these make a pretty happy family and measure fairly close. Volq could use a pinch thicker grips and maybe a touch more mass to feel like a "real gun". Safety also leaves a bit to be desired. Steal can helps add a bit of balance.
 

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Checking new mags. First bill drill is speed to shoot all X’s on the B8 bull (1.35”). Second is max speed to the black (5.5”).

Both from concealment.

1st= 3.14 sec all rounds in sub 1.5”.

2nd= 1.98 sec, all in the black.



Will be super interested to hear how this goes - any adjustments to the feed lips or follower, or is this just a straight ammo swap?

There is a thread on another Addicts site about stuffing 12 into a 10rd mag...has lots of details if you are curious...
 
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