1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[Formidilosus]

Good thread.

Were the 9mm Tisas all carbon on carbon?

Not sure if they offered anything else in 9mm, but I recall some issues with stainless 45 slides breaking.

Yes, standard blued carbon or Ceracoat.

 

[nm.otter]

Anything between $400 and $3k that would make sense to start with?

 

[Formidilosus]

This is interesting, I’m looking forward to more of this. Between this and the 22 mag Kel tek it does make me wonder if a 22tcm 1911 is a good idea? Is it just because of RIA

A well built gun in 22TCM would make an excellent field pistol.

 

[Trevor96]

A well built gun in 22TCM would make an excellent field pistol.

The fireball from a 5" barrel is really fun

 

[Formidilosus]

Anything between $400 and $3k that would make sense to start with?

As in starting with 1911’s? If so, 45 or 9mm?

 

[Howler65]

As in starting with 1911’s? If so, 45 or 9mm?

I'd be interested to hear your take on both. I've been shopping both lately...seems like the Staccato C or CS at $2500-2700 is a good value when you compare weight, capacity and price to some of the other 1911/2011 guns...the Alchemy and Nighthawks look sweet but prices seem much more expensive($4-5k)...

 

[sbaker0029]

@Formidilosus

Thoughts on the external extractor on Sig's, 9mm specifically.

 

[nm.otter]

As in starting with 1911’s? If so, 45 or 9mm?

Correct -- starting with a 1911 in 9mm that doesn't need a whole lot of work to be shootable, yet is still worth improving over time.

...which was behind my earlier Kimber query.

 

[Formidilosus]

I'd be interested to hear your take on both. I've been shopping both lately...seems like the Staccato C or CS at $2500-2700 is a good value when you compare weight, capacity and price to some of the other 1911/2011 guns..

The C, CS, and HD are really easy choices for a pistol if you don’t mind the larger grip. In general they are a fantastic. Unfortunately, there really isn’t any similar options to the 9mm 1911’s. Probably in the best option for sub $3,000 1911 9mm, is finding a used Springfield Professional. Those pistols are excellent on average.

.the Alchemy and Nighthawks look sweet but prices seem much more expensive($4-5k)...

As above, I’d probably try to find a Springfield Professional in 9mm for sub $3k.

 

[Castle Rock]

Off topic a bit, but I’m curious why these pistols cost so much money, they are pretty simple devices really

 

[Hydra6]

The C, CS, and HD are really easy choices for a pistol if you don’t mind the larger grip. In general they are a fantastic. Unfortunately, there really isn’t any similar options to the 9mm 1911’s. Probably in the best option for sub $3,000 1911 9mm, is finding a used Springfield Professional. Those pistols are excellent on average.






As above, I’d probably try to find a Springfield Professional in 9mm for sub $3k.

Springfield Armory now offering the TRP line in 9mm as an option

 

[Formidilosus]

Correct -- starting with a 1911 in 9mm that doesn't need a whole lot of work to be shootable, yet is still worth improving over time.

...which was behind my earlier Kimber query.

Oof. Until you get to actual hand built and fit 1911’s, you kind of are at the same place for the start. A $400 Tisas is functionally about the same as an $800 Springfield- both will almost certainly need the extractor adjusted, and both have parts that I would replace immediately- sights, short trigger, trigger kit, magwell, front strap checkering. It’s not until you get into Dan Wesson, Colt CCU, and maybe the new Springfield TRP’s (all $1,500-2,000) that you are functionally getting much more. They still would need a sight swap and a short trigger for me.


In more than a Tisas and less than $2,000, this Colt is what I would probably choose for a 5” gun.

Combat Unit - Colt's Manufacturing LLC

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www.colt.com

Having said that, a Springfield Garrison in 9mm is a functional pistol as well. Will still need to tweak the extractor.

 

[RockAndSage]

Correct -- starting with a 1911 in 9mm that doesn't need a whole lot of work to be shootable, yet is still worth improving over time.

Oof. Until you get to actual hand built and fit 1911’s, you kind of are at the same place for the start. A $400 Tisas is functionally about the same as an $800 Springfield- both will almost certainly need the extractor adjusted, and both have parts that I would replace immediately- sights, short trigger, trigger kit, magwell, front strap checkering. It’s not until you get into Dan Wesson, Colt CCU, and maybe the new Springfield TRP’s (all $1,500-2,000) that you are functionally getting much more. They still would need a sight swap and a short trigger for me.

There's so much truth here - I'd only add that unless this is exclusively a range toy or a vehicle for learning how to work on the platform, 1911s aren't really the kind of gun someone should try to homebrew if they aren't well dialed in on the smithing side of it. A guy can put together a bolt action gun or an AR with much less of a knowledge base and have it working just fine, but there's a lot more to diagnosing 1911 malfunctions and tuning them than is obvious. They're much more on the 'smithing' side of things, than the 'gun building' side.

 

[Thinkingman]

The new CZ P-09 F Nocturne feels very similar to 1911 ergos. Be sweet if they had a better thumb safety and SAO for a better trigger.

I wanted to love the P-09 Nocturne as my son's P-10 is fantastic.
I was completely disappointed in the trigger as a hammer-fired SA.

In re the OP, I have run an STI Spartan and Trojan in 9mm since 2011.
The accuracy has been fantastic, the fit and finish is excellent, even on the Spartan.
I did have two case head separations with the Spartan using Hornady factory SD ammo.
Hornady didn't give a rip but STI did, and upgraded my Spartan to the Trojan(all US components) and it has been 100% reliable.
The slide feels like it's riding on bearings.

In re reliability of the 1911 platform, it was never intended to have a tight fit and match accuracy. It was intended to rattle when shook and run ball ammo with an handful of sand in it.
When Colt decided to become a factory match platform, they were still rattle traps but people were buying in.
As the tolerances became tighter and SD ammo was run, the idea that a tight 1911 might not run as reliably was born.
In re MIM components, I don't have the same fear as some people but would upgrade bar-stock components as I saw fit.

All of my 1911s wear slim grip panels.

 

[Reddish]

I wanted to love the P-09 Nocturne as my son's P-10 is fantastic.
I was completely disappointed in the trigger as a hammer-fired SA.

Yes, trigger on the Nocturne is a disappointment. If I was going to run one a lot, I'd get a Cajun kit for it and run it single action with the manual safety.

 

[Southernfried]

So my question for @Formidilosus or really anyone in this thread that has experience, historically I have never owned a striker fire pistol. I have owned revolvers and a couple of semi's and since 2001 only have owned and carried a Kimber 1911 5" 45 acp. Now at 58 and my own health issues, mostly due to Guillain-Barré syndrome in 2017, mostly with dexterity, hand strength etc, I am really looking into these 2011, 1911ish type polymer handguns. Thumb safety a must (it is what Im used to and like) Mostly the Springfield Prodigy, but now after this thread I'm looking at the Tisas DS 9m and the Sig 320 but with the Brouwer grip module. I was never interested in the Sig till @Formidilosus mentioned the 1811 grip module. No way I could ever afford the Staccato or equivalent either. The Sig really interests me the most since they just use regular Sig 320 magazines. But for the other two (Tisas/Springfield) what regular 1911 parts fit these? Looking around the net it appears I can find a Sig or Tisas used for half the price of the Prodigy, is the Prodigy really worth 1000+ to start with, or would I be better served just to go with the Sig or Tisas since I have found both for around 500 used? Even though the Sig is 4-6 oz lighter. Thanks for the time and hope I didnt thread jack. Does one of these 3 have an advantage/disadvantage over each other or others or others I should look for? Thanks again.

 

[Billogna]

So my question for @Formidilosus or really anyone in this thread that has experience, historically I have never owned a striker fire pistol. I have owned revolvers and a couple of semi's and since 2001 only have owned and carried a Kimber 1911 5" 45 acp. Now at 58 and my own health issues, mostly due to Guillain-Barré syndrome in 2017, mostly with dexterity, hand strength etc, I am really looking into these 2011, 1911ish type polymer handguns. Thumb safety a must (it is what Im used to and like) Mostly the Springfield Prodigy, but now after this thread I'm looking at the Tisas DS 9m and the Sig 320 but with the Brouwer grip module. I was never interested in the Sig till @Formidilosus mentioned the 1811 grip module. No way I could ever afford the Staccato or equivalent either. The Sig really interests me the most since they just use regular Sig 320 magazines. But for the other two (Tisas/Springfield) what regular 1911 parts fit these? Looking around the net it appears I can find a Sig or Tisas used for half the price of the Prodigy, is the Prodigy really worth 1000+ to start with, or would I be better served just to go with the Sig or Tisas since I have found both for around 500 used? Even though the Sig is 4-6 oz lighter. Thanks for the time and hope I didnt thread jack. Does one of these 3 have an advantage/disadvantage over each other or others or others I should look for? Thanks again.

I recently got a Tisas Ds 9 carry and have replaced a bunch of parts (mostly just to tinker). All that's really needed is a better extractor though. Atlas has some great videos on tuning 1911 extractors on YouTube. For what it's worth I have a Sig P320 as well and the Tisas is much more comfortable to shoot.

 

[rileybassman]

I wanted to love the P-09 Nocturne as my son's P-10 is fantastic.
I was completely disappointed in the trigger as a hammer-fired SA.

FWIW I had (sold it and got the Shadow 2 Carry to replace it) the P-09C and did a full CGW kit... not even remotely the same trigger after that, it was wonderful. If you like everything about the gun but the trigger, know you can get a killer trigger installed (or install it yourself) and you will be good to go.

 

[Steve300xcw]

) Mostly the Springfield Prodigy, but now after this thread I'm looking at the Tisas DS 9m and the Sig 320 but with the Brouwer grip module. I was never interested in the Sig till @Formidilosus mentioned the 1811 grip module. No way I could ever afford the Staccato or equivalent either. The Sig really interests me the most since they just use regular Sig 320 magazines. But for the other two (Tisas/Springfield) what regular 1911 parts fit these? Looking around the net it appears I can find a Sig or Tisas used for half the price of the Prodigy, is the Prodigy really worth 1000+ to start with, or would I be better served just to go with the Sig or Tisas since I have found both for around 500 used? Even though the Sig is 4-6 oz lighter. Thanks for the time and hope I didnt thread jack. Does one of these 3 have an advantage/disadvantage over each other or others or others I should look for? Thanks again.

I like my prodigy alot. I dont think I would buy it again though. Runs pretty good after the disconnect got changed out. But it is in no way a gun that just runs. It really likes to be clean. Doing it over, think I'd sell a few things if I needed to and grab a staccato. A guy can find some deals on used ones, on both the forums and gunbroker if he keeps his eyes open.

 

[Dobermann]

@Formidilosus What are your thoughts on a 10-round capacity vs 20-shot capacity 9 mm 1911/2011 for carry use?

Of course, main difference is form factor vs capacity - but interested in your preference for this use case (and likely for AIWB)?

My particular context is I can get a Bul EDC 5" for $3500 vs a Bul SAS II Tac for $6500 (local dollars) ... seems like a large difference for the increased capacity and optic cut...