1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[Steve300xcw]

More rounds is more better..........

$6500 is fuckin insane

 

[Formidilosus]

So my question for @Formidilosus or really anyone in this thread that has experience, historically I have never owned a striker fire pistol. I have owned revolvers and a couple of semi's and since 2001 only have owned and carried a Kimber 1911 5" 45 acp. Now at 58 and my own health issues, mostly due to Guillain-Barré syndrome in 2017, mostly with dexterity, hand strength etc, I am really looking into these 2011, 1911ish type polymer handguns. Thumb safety a must (it is what Im used to and like) Mostly the Springfield Prodigy, but now after this thread I'm looking at the Tisas DS 9m and the Sig 320 but with the Brouwer grip module. I was never interested in the Sig till @Formidilosus mentioned the 1811 grip module. No way I could ever afford the Staccato or equivalent either. The Sig really interests me the most since they just use regular Sig 320 magazines. But for the other two (Tisas/Springfield) what regular 1911 parts fit these? Looking around the net it appears I can find a Sig or Tisas used for half the price of the Prodigy, is the Prodigy really worth 1000+ to start with, or would I be better served just to go with the Sig or Tisas since I have found both for around 500 used? Even though the Sig is 4-6 oz lighter. Thanks for the time and hope I didnt thread jack. Does one of these 3 have an advantage/disadvantage over each other or others or others I should look for? Thanks again.

For a one and done carry/duty 2011- Staccato C/CS or HD.

Between a Prodigy and Tisas 2011…. Ehh. If you don’t mind doing a bit of work, the Tisas is probably what I would do. I probably wouldn’t do a P320 currently.

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus What are your thoughts on a 10-round capacity vs 20-shot capacity 9 mm 1911/2011 for carry use?

Of course, main difference is form factor vs capacity - but interested in your preference for this use case (and likely for AIWB)?

100% 1911.

 

[Dobermann]

More rounds is more better..........

$6500 is fuckin insane

That's NZD ... but yeah, about US$3900 equivalent for a gun that lists for US$1760 is pretty insane.

 

[Dobermann]

100% 1911.

Dang it ... I keep forgetting I need to ask 'why' when I post a question for you!

 

[Formidilosus]

Dang it ... I keep forgetting I need to ask 'why' when I post a question for you!

The grip. Unless you have abnormally large hands it’s easier to get a consistent and positive grip. It’s skinnier and easier to conceal. With a spare mag it’s 21 rounds.

 

[North River]

The grip. Unless you have abnormally large hands it’s easier to get a consistent and positive grip. It’s skinnier and easier to conceal. With a spare mag it’s 21 rounds.

What 1911? It seems the consensus on 2011 is Staccato if you can, Tisas if you can’t. What’s the equivalent for a 1911?

Edit - sorry, reading comprehension needed a little work. I see it has been addressed.

 

[wysongdog]

What 1911? It seems the consensus on 2011 is Staccato if you can, Tisas if you can’t. What’s the equivalent for a 1911?

Edit - sorry, reading comprehension needed a little work. I see it has been addressed.

I must’ve missed it lol. What’s the answer?

 

[North River]

I must’ve missed it lol. What’s the answer?

Posts 89 & 92.

 

[TreeDog]

What are the thoughts on bobtail?

 

[Reddish]

What aftermarket sights with fiber optic front and blacked out rear are preferred? Lots of options out there. Current setup is tritium front with a huge dot, wanting something with a smaller fiber optic.

 

[NSI]

What aftermarket sights with fiber optic front and blacked out rear are preferred? Lots of options out there. Current setup is tritium front with a huge dot, wanting something with a smaller fiber optic.

I like that configuration as well. Many good options. Dawson fiber for front. I like a serrated black rear sight with a profile that I can hook on a belt or boot heel to cock so I use a Volkmann Battlehook, hackathorn, Jardine, or something similar.

-J

 

[Timjohnson11]

This is a great post, thanks Form. What are your thoughts on the DA/SA varients of hammer fired, metal framed pistols? such as the CZs? Any pros/cons relative to 1911? I've been planning to pick up a Shadow 2 Carry for a few months now but now you have me rethinking things. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[Steve300xcw]

I like my P01. Its no 1911 though.

 

[Isildur]

DW Guardian gets my vote. Recently purchased one, quality gun indeed.

 

[Reddish]

DW Guardian gets my vote. Recently purchased one, quality gun indeed.

I just got one a while back in 9mm. I like it a lot. Will put some checkered grips on it and will put some new sights. Factory sights are great, but I’ve never been a night sight guy.

 

[NSI]

This is a great post, thanks Form. What are your thoughts on the DA/SA varients of hammer fired, metal framed pistols? such as the CZs? Any pros/cons relative to 1911? I've been planning to pick up a Shadow 2 Carry for a few months now but now you have me rethinking things. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I like the grip geometry, low bore axis, wide world of accessories, and excellent “rolling break” trigger of the cz75 series. I compete with a shadow - if you do the same, carrying a shadow compact or carry would have some training advantage. Mastering 2 trigger pulls is the main disadvantage of all DASA platforms.

-J

 

[Timjohnson11]

I like my P01. Its no 1911 though.

My understanding is a P01 is no Shadow 2 Compact either to be fair. Is the trigger not vastly superior?

 

[Steve300xcw]

My understanding is a P01 is no Shadow 2 Compact either to be fair. Is the trigger not vastly superior?

I've tossed enough trigger parts in there that its pretty good now

Gun feels great in the hand but I just shoot a 1911 better. Like the controls better, like the sights better.

CZ kadet slide makes a badass trainer though. Very glad I picked up one of those.


I'm not bitching about the CZ. They make a damn nice gun...Its not a 1911 though.

 

[RockAndSage]

and excellent “rolling break” trigger of the cz75

This isn't meant to be combative or disagreeable, but I had a very different experience with CZs that's worth sharing, for anyone who is used to a crisp single-action pull.

A few months back I had every intention of buying a CZ Shadow 2 Carry - until I picked it up and tried the trigger a few times. I'd put a ton of research into reviews, aftermarket support, etc, and kept hearing just how amazing the single-action trigger pulls were on it, and the CZ Shadow 2 Compact.

The reality of my experience was that I was genuinely, sincerely appalled at just how shockingly bad that SA trigger is, compared to any random 1911, or DA/SA classic P-series Sig I've ever shot. Or any DA/SA gun I can remember. It almost felt like some sort of different design that I wouldn't even call SA, even if it technically meets the definition.

It is not crisp in any way, at all, and calling it a "rolling break" would be about the most generous description that could be offered. I just got rid of a striker-fired custom Sig 320 that had a better trigger pull - no BS at all, that CZ Carry's SA trigger felt like I was cocking back a striker, its trigger pull was so damn long. The weight wasn't bad, and yes, it was smooth, but the actual trigger travel was just long, in the SA mode.

Again, not trying to stir anything or be disagreeable, but the experience and differing perspective is worth sharing - people need to feel those guns before they ever consider buying one. I tried the Compact, and 2 other Carrys, just to make sure it wasn't a fluke, but the Compact without the trigger disconnector had only a hair better of a pull.

If someone likes that rolling trigger-break, that's an entirely different story - they'd be great guns. But I have never had a worse experience picking up a gun, in terms of just how badly expectation just did not meet reality. People can't go into the Carry or the Compact thinking they're getting a crisp SA pull, if that's what they're used to. It's a different animal.