10mm non hard cast bear defense ammo.

[Spinman75]

High velocity, +P ammo has harsher recoil characteristics than heavier-for-caliber, slow burning powder loads.

Ahh, I’m not recoil sensitive so I’m ok with the high velocity

 

[MHWASH]

Ahh, I’m not recoil sensitive so I’m ok with the high velocity

Have you tried any drills where you need to get several rounds off quickly? This is where muzzle jump comes into effect.

 

[craveman85]

If the bullet happens to be a bad fit for the barrel then it will still lead even if it's coated.

 

[Spinman75]

Have you tried any drills where you need to get several rounds off quickly? This is where muzzle jump comes into effect.

I have and I have no concerns.

 

[MattB]

Most folks who use pistols for bear protection want maximum penetration. 10MM isn't a particularly deep penetrator to begin with, so using an expanding bullet only further limits penetration.

The link below is for an article from Buffalo Bore's FAQ which sheds some light on the notion of hard cast bullets lead fouling polygonal barrels.

Hard Cast Bullets in Polygonal Barrels

Hard Cast Bullets in Polygonal Barrels

www.buffalobore.com

 

[Spinman75]

Most folks who use pistols for bear protection want maximum penetration. 10MM isn't a particularly deep penetrator to begin with, so using an expanding bullet only further limits penetration.

The link below is for an article from Buffalo Bore's FAQ which sheds some light on the notion of hard cast bullets lead fouling polygonal barrels.

Hard Cast Bullets in Polygonal Barrels

Hard Cast Bullets in Polygonal Barrels

www.buffalobore.com

 

[Spinman75]

I thought this was interesting.

Handguns for Bear Defense: a Study by Caliber – Concealed Nation

One of the things most hotly debated by hunters, firearms owners, and flat-out bored people is the answer to the question: “What caliber handgun do I need to be safe against bear attack?” Not to get all clickbait-y, but the answer might surprise you. Ammoland was kind enough to make a little...

concealednation.org

 

[black dawg]

I thought this was interesting.

Handguns for Bear Defense: a Study by Caliber – Concealed Nation

One of the things most hotly debated by hunters, firearms owners, and flat-out bored people is the answer to the question: “What caliber handgun do I need to be safe against bear attack?” Not to get all clickbait-y, but the answer might surprise you. Ammoland was kind enough to make a little...

concealednation.org

they consider failure vs success by if someone got chewed on after shots were fired? With no mention of placement or bullet used/performance?

 

[MattB]

I thought this was interesting.

Handguns for Bear Defense: a Study by Caliber – Concealed Nation

One of the things most hotly debated by hunters, firearms owners, and flat-out bored people is the answer to the question: “What caliber handgun do I need to be safe against bear attack?” Not to get all clickbait-y, but the answer might surprise you. Ammoland was kind enough to make a little...

concealednation.org

That hits on the point that 9MM penetrates well, and also that humans are odd creatures. The author indicates that 9mm worked in 4 out of 4 case and then formulated an argument as to why he wouldn't use that caliber, but rather one he highlighted as failing - probably because it has "magnum" in the name.

 

[Jesse Jaymes]

How much penetration do you need?

Anyone other than Wrench shoot a bear w a 10mm posting here ?

 

[PsRpOiGrRiAtM]

I don't know how effective this will be, but I alternate 200gr Underwood coated hard cast and 180gr Sig FMJ (still pretty hot stuff for factory ammo) in my magazines, with the thinking that each jacketed round that follows a hard cast round will scour the barrel of any lead.

 

[Dos Perros]

How much penetration do you need?

Unsure of how much margin you like to build into your life, you may not even need to actually hit the bear. Just getting a round off results in a pretty high defense success rate.

 

[Spinman75]

they consider failure vs success by if someone got chewed on after shots were fired? With no mention of placement or bullet used/perform

they consider failure vs success by if someone got chewed on after shots were fired? With no mention of placement or bullet used/performance?

they consider failure vs success by if someone got chewed on after shots were fired? With no mention of placement or bullet used/performance?

is that not the point, not to get chewed on? If you make a bad shot, with a poorly constructed bullet and the bear doesn’t eat you, is that not a success?

 

[Dos Perros]

My family only cares if I got chewed on or not. They don't care if I missed or wounded or kilt the bear that might have chewed me.

 

[black dawg]

is that not the point, not to get chewed on? If you make a bad shot, with a poorly constructed bullet and the bear doesn’t eat you, is that not a success?

That is absolutely the point.
My point was the article left out many important pieces of information.

 

[Spinman75]

That is absolutely the point.
My point was the article left out many important pieces of information.

What could be more important than not getting eaten? In my view that’s all that matters.

 

[LoggerDan]

I have used the 10mm in a DLP situation with a black bear at a logging camp. 260 something lbs boar. 2 shots, 8 paces, additional shot after bear was down. 220 gr. BB. Did not open the chest cavity upon skinning. 2 exits, first exit second shot , head. Second exit was last shot exited neck.

 

[craveman85]

Most folks who use pistols for bear protection want maximum penetration. 10MM isn't a particularly deep penetrator to begin with, so using an expanding bullet only further limits penetration.

The link below is for an article from Buffalo Bore's FAQ which sheds some light on the notion of hard cast bullets lead fouling polygonal barrels.

Hard Cast Bullets in Polygonal Barrels

Hard Cast Bullets in Polygonal Barrels

www.buffalobore.com

Yeah I'd read this before I ordered their ammo and it SMEARED lead down the barrel. Hence why I'm going to have to use something copper or at least jacketed. I'm ordering a new barrel and reloading supplies are on the way but I won't have that ready by the time my trip starts in May.

 

[MattB]

Yeah I'd read this before I ordered their ammo and it SMEARED lead down the barrel. Hence why I'm going to have to use something copper or at least jacketed. I'm ordering a new barrel and reloading supplies are on the way but I won't have that ready by the time my trip starts in May.

It is interesting that no one else seems to have that problem with BB excessively leading barrels.

 

[craveman85]

It is interesting that no one else seems to have that problem with BB excessively leading barrels.

Could be a bullet fitment issue. Either way I'd want to put a new barrel in it before shooting lead. If it is an oversize bore then coated bullets won't work either.