"You can't use a gun for self-protection..."

[GSPHUNTER]

Can someone explain to me how disarming a law abiding citizen solves a crime problem ?

Why yes I can, it's very simple, It doesn't.

 

[Billinsd]

Weirdos are weird in anyones eye. I'm with a group of fifteen guys and I see a weirdo and I say, that guy over there is weird. All fifteen guys agree.

must be true. Maybe I'm a weirdo?

 

[Billinsd]

Canada’s health-care outcomes tend to be better overall at a much lower cost.

No. Canadians have much longer wait times. Much longer wait times for MRIs and CTs for example. Longer wait times can lead to poorer health care. Then there are outdated medications and staff shortages. I agree it is less expensive, not a lot, and the longer wait times and inferior medicine and poorer outcomes.

 

[JJJ]

I would assume that one reason would be to avoid having the anywhere near the gun violence levels of the US, and it seems to be working. Plus people can still get guns, so it’s not exactly “disarming the people”.

And there’s the line.

Go beat off to your poster of young globalist WEF leader Trudeau,

And true Americans will continue to stand up for individuality and equal footing for all for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[scattergun]

Who said anything about liking Trudeau?

 

[Gutshot007]

Yeah ,I bet that northern US border is a busy place with all the Americans trampling each other to get into Canada for that stellar healthcare. Lol

 

[Texasbuckeye]

No. Canadians have much longer wait times. Much longer wait times for MRIs and CTs for example. Longer wait times can lead to poorer health care. Then there are outdated medications and staff shortages. I agree it is less expensive, not a lot, and the longer wait times and inferior medicine and poorer outcomes.

Being in the medical field, I hear stories and actually have dealt with some folks who come to the US for medical care.

The medical system in Canada is provincial, meaning each province makes its own rules. Some are better than others, but almost universally the wait times are silly long, and wait times when it comes to cancer treatments can be life and death. Surgical wait times are mostly ridiculous, and specialist wait times can border on months or longer. So couple a several month wait to see a specialist with longer wait times for surgery or treatments not being available, and you get a not so good health system for the user. Sure it can look good on paper, but you also don't have flocks of foreign royalty going to canada for health care like the US does. That says a lot.

They also ration up there A LOT. Many treatments are just not offered due to money or ability to be given, or what would be considered heroic measures for a condition. The govt def has a say in your care, which again is the exact opposite of here in the US where the patient can control their own health.

Being in the eye field specifically, I know for a fact cataract surgery in some provinces is limited to X number per year paid by the govt, and once that number is reached the doctors either stop doing surgery and wait till the following year to resume, or they go to a cash pay system (if they are not outlawed, some provinces outlaw this, as told to me by a canadian ophthalmologist) and can do "refractive lens exchanges" instead of cataract surgery if you can afford it. It isn't cheap, but it can bypass the line to wait.

In canada the health system is paid for by taxes. Everyone pays taxes up there, they aren't terrible for most, but average between 15-29% with the middle being around 23-24%. But compared tot he US where only the top 50% earners pay anything in federal tax and the bottom half take from the tax revenue system, the canadian tax system seems a little more fair. So there is that....

 

[Btaylor]

Can someone explain to me how disarming a law abiding citizen solves a crime problem ?

It's preemptive in case they decide to no longer be law abiding.

 

[MontanaMarine]

I'll bet his security detail uses guns to protect him?????

 

[ODB]

No. Canadians have much longer wait times. Much longer wait times for MRIs and CTs for example. Longer wait times can lead to poorer health care. Then there are outdated medications and staff shortages. I agree it is less expensive, not a lot, and the longer wait times and inferior medicine and poorer outcomes.

Ding ding ding. This is correct. My wife works in MRI and has heard many, many horror stories from within the medical field.

We were in Victoria BC once and met a couple. The guy was in clear pain and mentioned that he had fallen out of a tree some 6 months earlier. He could not get an MRI for 4 months and was bedridden for the majority of that. The result? Permanent nerve damage. He simply could not get in. The worst part? Those lovely Canadians were not in the least upset. It was just “well, we just trust the system and follow the rules.” My wife didn’t have the heart to tell them here you can get an MR the same day for emergent issues.

 

[amassi]

Ding ding ding. This is correct. My wife works in MRI and has heard many, many horror stories from within the medical field.

We were in Victoria BC once and met a couple. The guy was in clear pain and mentioned that he had fallen out of a tree some 6 months earlier. He could not get an MRI for 4 months and was bedridden for the majority of that. The result? Permanent nerve damage. He simply could not get in. The worst part? Those lovely Canadians were not in the least upset. It was just “well, we just trust the system and follow the rules.” My wife didn’t have the heart to tell them here you can get an MR the same day for emergent issues.

This is not an uncommon occurrence here In the states
I've had imaging denied by both tricare/ Dept of V.A and Kaiser for similar Injuries, it's rarely as simple as showing up and getting an MRI.

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[CorbLand]

This is not an uncommon occurrence here In the states
I've had imaging denied by both tricare/ Dept of V.A and Kaiser for similar Injuries, it's rarely as simple as showing up and getting an MRI.

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Aren’t TRICARE and the VA ran by the government?

 

[amassi]

Aren’t TRICARE and the VA ran by the government?

Yes, kaiser isn't. They share the policy of delay, deny

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[CorbLand]

Yes, kaiser isn't. They share the policy of delay, deny

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I wouldn’t say that it’s not uncommon to have to wait in the States but it does seem common to have to wait if the government runs it…

 

[amassi]

I wouldn’t say that it’s not uncommon to have to wait in the States but it does seem common to have to wait if the government runs it…

Yes govt run Healthcare is pretty heinous, it's better than none Healthcare.
I was merely trying to say waiting for an MRI is not at all unusual here

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[ODB]

This is not an uncommon occurrence here In the states
I've had imaging denied by both tricare/ Dept of V.A and Kaiser for similar Injuries, it's rarely as simple as showing up and getting an MRI.

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Really? You fall from a tree and they tell you to wait 4 months?

You walk into any emergency room with numbness and inability to walk and you will get an MR pretty damn quick.

 

[Pikespeak]

And it would be a far bigger issue if everyone was anxiously walking around with guns.

I’m not saying that Canada doesn’t have problems, but it’s still significantly less violent than the USA by any measure, especially when it comes to gun deaths.

Especially when it comes to gun deaths? When did it start mattering how someone dies? How is that a serious point? Personally, Id rather be shot than stabbed or bludgeoned to death.

 

[*zap*]

big population difference between the Greatest country on earth and canada... 10x+

 

[Pikespeak]

Anyone who makes a broad statement such as one entire healthcare system is just better than another can't be taken seriously. Everything at that scale is a list of pros and cons for each method. Dictatorships vs democracy, 2 party vs multiparty, private vs nationalized healthcare, etc.

The debate should be more around which tradeoffs you prefer.

 

[amassi]

Really? You fall from a tree and they tell you to wait 4 months?

You walk into any emergency room with numbness and inability to walk and you will get an MR pretty damn quick.

Yes I fell off a roof in 2006, have leg droop, numbness tingling and weakness. Started seeking g VA care in 2010 for it as it worsened. 16 office visits later and letters to all my representatives and I was able to get an MRI in 2013 so slightly longer than 4 months.

Then I got better insurance through Kaiser, 2016 I was hit In the head by a piece of pipe by one if my confused residents. Went to er, couldn't get imaging so the resident Dr did a spinal tap to check for blood. Test was inconclusive so he sent me via ambulance to another hospital 20 miles away that had room for Mri
I arrived at the first hospital at 1630 and got an mri at another hospital the following day at 1730.

No you won't.

You don't know what you don't know. You wife has no idea the number of patients get triaged outside of her care and I'd wager to be she's pretty busy.

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