Wyoming special draw increase ...

[Laramie]

To add”value” to increased cost of the tag.

I am sure it was never proposed to lower the cost of the the regular tag… which would accomplish the same thing …alas there are still sheep to shear and greed will always win.

What do you think would happen to draw odds if they lowered the price of the regular?

It wouldn't benefit anyone currently participating, that is for sure.

 

[Trial153]

What do you think would happen to draw odds if they lowered the price of the regular?

It wouldn't benefit anyone currently participating, that is for sure.

They don’t give a shit about draw odds, if they did they would implement ways to reduce them.

Waiting periods, points only granted with an application, Ect Ect.

This is pure revenue generation and to suggest otherwise is laughable.

 

[wapitibob]

They don’t give a shit about draw odds, if they did they would implement ways to reduce them.

Waiting periods, points only granted with an application, Ect Ect.

This is pure revenue generation and to suggest otherwise is laughable.

Considering only half of all applicants actually apply for a hunt, forcing them to do so to get a point would tank current odds.

 

[MallardSX2]

Just going to have to start hunting at night like the old days. lol

 

[Dos Perros]

Considering only half of all applicants actually apply for a hunt, forcing them to do so to get a point would tank current odds.

There would be a step function change in odds, but it would settle out. Some people who didn't want to hunt would be forced to apply, or not. I would guess the odds of the very best hunts would absolutely tank as people would 'hide' there the years they didn't want to draw. But when it comes down to it, essentially the same pool of people are after the same pool of tags over the long haul.

 

[Laramie]

They don’t give a shit about draw odds, if they did they would implement ways to reduce them.

Waiting periods, points only granted with an application, Ect Ect.

This is pure revenue generation and to suggest otherwise is laughable.

I didn't suggest otherwise? I am simply stating we already have a problem with way more applicants than tags. If the price were reduced, that would compound the problem.

I get that you are laser focused on the money but complaining about that is a completely lost cause. Understanding the big picture and potential impacts allows us to lobby for the lesser of two evils in most instances. That is the purpose of my involvement to the discussion.

 

[Trial153]

Considering only half of all applicants actually apply for a hunt, forcing them to do so to get a point would tank current odds.

You have no way of knowing that considering that at any given time the current point holder can actually jump into the draw. Just the added cost in fees, fronting the tag cost, and actually having to hunt if you did draw May act a deterrent. However if your goal is generate as much revenue as possible while still paying lip service in pretending to care about the Publics perception of the agency there is no room to discourage applicants

 

[Trial153]

I didn't suggest otherwise? I am simply stating we already have a problem with way more applicants than tags. If the price were reduced, that would compound the problem.

I get that you are laser focused on the money but complaining about that is a completely lost cause. Understanding the big picture and potential impacts allows us to lobby for the lesser of two evils in most instances. That is the purpose of my involvement to the discussion.

I am not laser focused on the money in all, and honestly I am in most likely in a better position then most people from a standpoint it disposable income.

I am laser focused how the hyper monetization of hunting forebodes for the future of hunting in NA and it’s continued acceptance and support of the activity by non hunters.

 

[MuleyFever]

There is a huge unintended consequence to less NR tags and higher costs, which both result in less NR hunters.

As people get priced out or as they see the tags too far out of reach (too long to draw due to not enough tags) they no longer care about the resource. Hunters that can only hunt their state wont/dont care about what happens in that other state. Ban on bear hunt being proposed? I dont care, I dont/cant hunt there anyway. This will create more divide among hunters and the more divided we are the more we stand to lose. The other side trying to take away hunting will never be divided and always striving for the same goal. We are screwed.

 

[bsnedeker]

There is a huge unintended consequence to less NR tags and higher costs, which both result in less NR hunters.

As people get priced out or as they see the tags too far out of reach (too long to draw due to not enough tags) they no longer care about the resource. Hunters that can only hunt their state wont/dont care about what happens in that other state. Ban on bear hunt being proposed? I dont care, I dont/cant hunt there anyway. This will create more divide among hunters and the more divided we are the more we stand to lose. The other side trying to take away hunting will never be divided and always striving for the same goal. We are screwed.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: If the only reason you care about elk is because you can come out here and shoot one then you don't care about elk.

I will almost certainly never hunt a sheep in my life. I think they are extremely cool animals though, so I belong to the sheep foundation and donate to the cause. I strongly believe that most people that are currently advocates for hunting and wildlife feel the same way that I do. For those that don't, good riddance.

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[Sccritterkiller]

It's very interesting we are not seeing comments from local businesses chamber of commerce ect in WY. I dont think it matter as much for elk, but 1200 for deer and antelope tags is going to leave a lot of empty hotels, motels, restaurants and bars...I guess the residents will just have to pick up the slack there too...

 

[Dos Perros]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: If the only reason you care about elk is because you can come out here and shoot one then you don't care about elk.

I will almost certainly never hunt a sheep in my life. I think they are extremely cool animals though, so I belong to the sheep foundation and donate to the cause. I strongly believe that most people that are currently advocates for hunting and wildlife feel the same way that I do. For those that don't, good riddance.

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It's about conservation projects getting executed, and policy. Not emotions or virtue signaling.

 

[Coveyleader]

Go to 54:10 to 55:05.............. We're toast!

Oh, don't forget if you want to hunt WY you need to tack on....... Conservation stamp, Archery Stamp (if hunting archery outside type 9) and if you're hunting the Yellowstone area, another fee for "winter Feeding" or something along those lines.

 

[wapitibob]

It's very interesting we are not seeing comments from local businesses chamber of commerce ect in WY. I dont think it matter as much for elk, but 1200 for deer and antelope tags is going to leave a lot of empty hotels, motels, restaurants and bars...I guess the residents will just have to pick up the slack there too...

There will always be a total of zero leftover special tags in Wyoming.

 

[Wags]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: If the only reason you care about elk is because you can come out here and shoot one then you don't care about elk.

I will almost certainly never hunt a sheep in my life. I think they are extremely cool animals though, so I belong to the sheep foundation and donate to the cause. I strongly believe that most people that are currently advocates for hunting and wildlife feel the same way that I do. For those that don't, good riddance.

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I'm in a similar boat. I haven't hunted elk (bull) in over 10 years and it may be that before I do again. However I'm a RMEF member and donate what I can each year.

 

[Lawnboi]

Just going to have to start hunting at night like the old days. lol

Don’t give some of these states that idea.

Coming soon: Wyoming super special night tag. Might not be ethical but it’s “for conservation”.

I work for government, one thing government is great at doing is pissing the money that the collected from hard working people away on dumb useless shit.

I shouldn’t complain I got a 1.5% raise this year!

 

[Lawnboi]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: If the only reason you care about elk is because you can come out here and shoot one then you don't care about elk.

I will almost certainly never hunt a sheep in my life. I think they are extremely cool animals though, so I belong to the sheep foundation and donate to the cause. I strongly believe that most people that are currently advocates for hunting and wildlife feel the same way that I do. For those that don't, good riddance.

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So if the state takes tags they sell to you, and sells them to people who can pay a lot more for them it’s okay because the money goes to a good cause?

Careful don’t pat yourself on the back too hard.

 

[JFK]

Part of me gets the increase in price. You have a limited resource with 1000’s of people lining up for it. The game agency probably feels like they are leaving money on the table. Except they shouldn’t really be in the business of maximizing profits beyond what they need to operate successfully. The long term consequences will be fewer individuals get to experience an out of state hunt. Almost $2k special draw tags will move more people into the regular draw, so regular draw odds go to shit. It might actually allow guys who can swing the price of a special tag to hunt more…who knows. It just seems like more than ever, there are so many factors that are going to make it nearly impossible for the next generation do what we do.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

There will always be a total of zero leftover special tags in Wyoming.

Agreed but if the majority of those tags go to outfitters won't be nearly the demand for those services. Folks will get left in the cold.

The goal here is outfitter welfare plain and simple...WY just needs to pass the same laws as MT and let you buy 2 PP in the special draw if you book with an outfitter.

Better yet if want to go guided in the special let them buy as many points as they want on graduated scale..1st pp $100, 2nd pp $200, ect...You wanna hunt guided in unit that takes 6pts to draw..fine..put in the special draw with the tag fee and then pay another $2100 for your 6 pts.

 

[Archer86]

Just a FYI if you guys have not seen it I think the wyoming task force put out for Comment to also change the regular/special draw to a 50 50 split from the 60 40 split. didn't see it mentioned yet but I might have missed it