Wyoming special draw increase ...

[Archer86]

I hunted sheep in Alaska this year for next to nothing. I just wasn't the one that was going to pull the trigger.

As far as the increased special draw, I think the state can do whatever it wants with its own resources, including raising license fees, decreasing tag allocations, whatever. They have no tenant that says they need to manage for NR hunters. If NR hunters get used as the main funding source then that is the fault of NR hunters, you can always go somewhere else or choose not to participate. It's up to the individual to decide how to allocate their own resources in a manner that suits their goals. Hell, you could cow hunt in damn near every western state every year if you wanted (for pretty cheap) but almost everyone has to chase the antler porn. Since everyone and their brother wants to hunt elk out-of-state, prices are going to go up, so prepare yourself.

I agree with you. But the problem with what is currently going on in wyoming is the state is not saying they need the tag increase for revenue or the allocation changed for any reason other then the outfitters want it to try and make it easier for there clients to get tags.

 

[bsnedeker]

You, as do most of the other guys that live in your part of the world and frequent this site, seem like good hardworking no bull shit types. The kind of guys that think no one owes you a thing, especially the government. Until it comes to resident tags and then you bet your sweet ass that momma Montana or daddy Wyoming better stick it to the NRs a little harder as to maintain the status quo so you can always go to Wally World and buy your 40 dollar general tag that’s you’re entitled to.


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Lol.,,,you have me all wrong bud. I don't want to see my state "sticking it to NR's" at all. I have nothing against NR hunters and welcome you to my state.

My entire point is that western states have been jacking up prices for YEARS for NR's and yet, despite all the bitching I see on this and other websites, our applications for big game hunting continue to go up. That being the case, the system is clearly working. We are getting our funding for our game, and NR's are getting to come here to hunt the game that is held in trust for the population of THIS state that we ALLOW you to come here and hunt. If and when we see a hit to our funding because NR's finally hit their limit we will probably evaluate at that point, but right now the system is working better than ever.

You're welcome!

 

[S.Clancy]

I agree with you. But the problem with what is currently going on in wyoming is the state is not saying they need the tag increase for revenue or the allocation changed for any reason other then the outfitters want it to try and make it easier for there clients to get tags.

They don't have to justify why they are raising prices. Is it so outfitters can have better draws for their clients, maybe. But they are not stopping non-outfitted people from using the special draw. It's not like the legislation that they tried to pass in MT 2 years ago where something like 40-50% of NR combos would have been allocated only to people using outfitters. We, as residents, fought for NR hunters on that issue. But, I could care less what MT wants to charge NR hunters to come here and hunt, even tho I am NR hunter in other states and plan to hunt WY soonish.

 

[LostArra]

Hell, you could cow hunt in damn near every western state every year if you wanted (for pretty cheap) but almost everyone has to chase the antler porn. Since everyone and their brother wants to hunt elk out-of-state, prices are going to go up, so prepare yourself.

Perfect summary

 

[Archer86]

They don't have to justify why they are raising prices. Is it so outfitters can have better draws for their clients, maybe. But they are not stopping non-outfitted people from using the special draw. It's not like the legislation that they tried to pass in MT 2 years ago where something like 40-50% of NR combos would have been allocated only to people using outfitters. We, as residents, fought for NR hunters on that issue. But, I could care less what MT wants to charge NR hunters to come here and hunt, even tho I am NR hunter in other states and plan to hunt WY soonish.

They absolutely have to justify it. I don't trust any government commission that is owned by special interest groups.its not a maybe the president of wyoga stated in a commission meeting that if they raise prices it will help the outfitters and he would except it and now he wants to change the allocation. They can only go so far with nr prices and opportunities then they will go after resident opportunities if you let them do what ever they want they will just keep taking more and more.

 

[bsnedeker]

They absolutely have to justify it. I don't trust any government commission that is owned by special interest groups.its not a maybe the president of wyoga stated in a commission meeting that if they raise prices it will help the outfitters and he would except it and now he wants to change the allocation. They can only go so far with nr prices and opportunities then they will go after resident opportunities if you let them do what ever they want they will just keep taking more and more.

No, they don't. You want them to, but they don't have to. They can do whatever they want. Even if they did attempt to justify the increase it wouldn't change anyone's mind...all of you here sitting complaining about "outfitter welfare" are going to ignore whatever the state says and continue to believe what they want to believe.

Bottom line: We haven't even come close to raising prices to the point that NR's stop applying, despite all the whining I see on this site ya'll are still buying tags. You have no one to blame but your fellow NR's for continuously increasing the demand on a resource that we are not able to increase supply (the most basic of basic economic theory).

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[S.Clancy]

They absolutely have to justify it. I don't trust any government commission that is owned by special interest groups.its not a maybe the president of wyoga stated in a commission meeting that if they raise prices it will help the outfitters and he would except it and now he wants to change the allocation. They can only go so far with nr prices and opportunities then they will go after resident opportunities if you let them do what ever they want they will just keep taking more and more.

No they don't. They could remove all NR opportunity tomorrow if they wanted and no justification would be required. Removal of R opportunity is a different thing as we have constitutional (state) rights to resources of our state. They could just as easily charge $3K, $5K, whatever for NR licenses until they reach the price where demand = supply. For NR, it is a scarce resource that the market (which is NR hunters) determines the price they are willing to pay for the resource. Given how much demand is ahead of supply, NR licenses could be seen as cheap.

 

[Archer86]

No, they don't. You want them to, but they don't have to. They can do whatever they want. Even if they did attempt to justify the increase it wouldn't change anyone's mind...all of you here sitting complaining about "outfitter welfare" are going to ignore whatever the state says and continue to believe what they want to believe.

Bottom line: We haven't even come close to raising prices to the point that NR's stop applying, despite all the whining I see on this site ya'll are still buying tags. You have no one to blame but your fellow NR's for continuously increasing the demand on a resource that we are not able to increase supply (the most basic of basic economic theory).

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I am a resident of wyoming. But just remember when the outfitters come for resident opportunities that the state can do whatever it wants.

 

[S.Clancy]

I am a resident of wyoming. But just remember when the outfitters come for resident opportunities that the state can do whatever it wants.

And I will fight for my resident opportunities, just like last legislative session. Don't expect me to care about NR costs, cause I don't.

We actually fought for NR opportunities in MT against MOGA in 2021. This WY instance is a different thing, IMO.