Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year

[tdhanses]

In Wyoming??

Yeah if the change ever happens that is currently on the shelf for DEA.

Big 5 aren’t worth investing in other then raffle tickets.

 

[JM77]

Point Creep or decreasing odds, both the same in my book. Are residents subject to the bonus system?

They do mean the same thing except Point Creep doesn't pertain to bonus points.

Wyoming most likely is going to bonus points squared for moose and sheep, maybe bison and mtn goat too. You can follow the TF meetings and get that verified.

 

[LostArra]

every year more people jump in and odds get lower. To me, that means the system is not working.

How would you propose to correct that system? Cap the applicants? Keep adding more tags? Make every tag OIL?

More and more people want a fixed number of tags making things tough for everyone especially if antlers are a priority.

One of my Wyoming friends has drawn ONE type 1 elk tag in his home area in the past 16 years.

 

[Bobbyboe]

Ok, thinking out load and could possibly be off the rails. If I were a resident, which I’m not, and the state went to bonus points, I’d have a few questions. The first would be, what are the point totals for all people involved in this proposal? Are any of the people proposing this change just below max points for any big 5 species? If so, are their motives self serving, so they better their personal chances to draw. Because a bonus system hurts the odds for the max pool and the bottom half (new applicants). The just below max are the winners…

So, knowing now that residents will most likely going to bonus, is it a fair question to ask?

 

[Bobbyboe]

How would you propose to correct that system? Cap the applicants? Keep adding more tags? Make every tag OIL?

More and more people want a fixed number of tags making things tough for everyone especially if antlers are a priority.

One of my Wyoming friends has drawn ONE type 1 elk tag in his home area in the past 16 years.

Buzz and many residents don’t like my proposal to filter more people through and to even the playing field for all applicants. If you want to if you want to better the odds and rotate more people through, you need to make people chose a weapon specific season. That proposal would defiantly increase odds, but residents don’t want to give up the long seasons. I have no skin in the game, but would gladly give up season length and weapon choose for better odds.

For non residents, I’d eliminate the system and go straight lottery. Lower odds, but even playing field.

My two cents.

But I do feel for your buddy. That would be a bummer.

 

[robby denning]

Thanks for posting the article. Just scanned through it. Here is my takeaway, it’s obvious that different people have different definitions of successful. The article clearly states the system is working, though every year more people jump in and odds get lower. To me, that means the system is not working.

Sure. I think the author is saying it works from a mathematical standpoint.


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[Kimber7man]

You have a clear misunderstanding of how points work and you aren't the only one. It's impossible for a bonus point holder to need more bonus points to draw a tag from one year to the next. It might help, but it is not required.

Under bonus points, one point is all that is required to draw. A first time applicant gets one random number, while a 10 times applicant gets 100 numbers(or 10 if not a squared system). Only your low number counts. From one year to the next it never changes, it's a totally random system not affected by how many bonus points you have. It is not possible to have point creep. "Point creep" is a catch-all phrase, that is meaningless in a true bonus point system, and commonly used by anyone who hates a preference point system. It pertains to how many pp are required to draw an area and how they can increase from one year to the next. That does not happen with bonus points.

I have no illusions, based on what you have already said that you will now understand this, but try. This is me trying to show "a little humility/support" that @tdhanses thinks Wyoming residents lack.

Thank you for that! I’ve got good friends in Wyoming. Heck, your executive director of the WYldlife Fund is a friend that moved from here to your great state. Love getting back to the 307 to visit him, a certain realtor/guide/friend, and drink some Black Tooth brews!

 

[QuackAttack]

Why in Gods name would any resident of Wyoming show any support or humility for a nonresident we owe U nothing. I for one and many other residents of Wyoming would like to see 90/10 for EDA and while we are at it Wyoming needs to do away with reduced price Nr Cow calf elk tags those need to go to full price nr doe fawn antelope tags need to double in price...

Who funds your wildlife? Primarily nonresident hunters.

Whose taxes pay the PR dollars that fund your wildlife conservation? All of the gun buyers in America.


You are welcome.


Your attitude is disgusting and it’s why we have declining hunter numbers, declining influence, and are losing generations of hunters that just give up.


But hey, you got yours…so screw everyone else. Big man right there.

 

[HOT ROD]

Yeah if the change ever happens that is currently on the shelf for DEA.

Big 5 aren’t worth investing in other then raffle tickets.

Ull be waiting a long time to bye a land owner tag in Wyoming probably be better of heading to Colorado for Ur tag... They will probably welcome U with open arms down there with Ur intitled attitude... Good Luck

 

[Bobbyboe]

How would you propose to correct that system? Cap the applicants? Keep adding more tags? Make every tag OIL?

More and more people want a fixed number of tags making things tough for everyone especially if antlers are a priority.

One of my Wyoming friends has drawn ONE type 1 elk tag in his home area in the past 16 years.

Buzz and many residents don’t like my proposal to filter more people through and to even the playing field for all applicants. If you want to if you want to better the odds and rotate more people through, you need to make people chose a weapon specific season. That proposal would defiantly increase odds, but residents don’t want to give up the long seasons. I have no skin in the game, but would gladly give up season length and weapon choose for better odds.

For non residents, I’d eliminate the system and go straight lottery. Lower odds, but even playing field.

My two cents.

But I do feel for your buddy. That would be a bummer. At least he can hunt general deer and elk every year in multiple regions.

 

[slick]

I just have to say that it cracks me up.

First everyone has a grand idea to go from PP to BP to straight lottery. Some format for NR but different for R, also different for the Big 5 than it is DEA.

Oh look at MT’s system. Now everyone chiming in hurry up and go complain about how its *~sOo D i F f I c U l T~* to understand their system, but make a suggestion that WY should do something similar.

Man, hunters crack me up.

Can’t make everyone happy. Would hate to work for MT or WY right now.

 

[slick]

Easy Hot Rod.

Spiraling that way will shut this down real quick.

 

[robby denning]

I was trying to celeberate my twin’s 16th Birthday yesterday and didn’t have the time to watch this thread, so when it got dicey, I just shut it down.

Overall it had been a good discussion, but moving forward:

Wy Residents: Please remember that a bunch of your NR hunting brothers just had their hopes and dreams smashed, to no fault of their own.

NR: show some respect in your responses to our great state of Wy. It is their wildlife and we are guests.

In the end, we all need each other more than many will ever admit.

The thread is unlocked If anyone wants to continue the discussion

 

[woods89]

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[dieselchessy]

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So does that put you in the "responding to tone" or "ad hominem" category? LOL!

 

[robby denning]

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I think I’m going to make the Logo for the forum.

 

[woods89]

So does that put you in the "responding to tone" or "ad hominem" category? LOL!

Point well taken!

I try really hard to stay out of the bottom half of that diagram, but if you read my post history I'm sure you'll find a few I'm not very proud of.....

 

[Erict]

... A first time applicant gets one random number, while a 10 times applicant gets 100 numbers(or 10 if not a squared system). Only your low number counts. ...

I liked your explanation. Specific to Wy, do you know if:
1. There is documentation available to the public on exactly how this process works? Maybe the entire thing is contracted out to a company that has secret software for this?
2. The finalized/randomized list of each hunter and thier "low number" is available to the general public?
3. The system is audited/overseen by an independent group who monitors for fraud, errors, mistakes, etc?

 

[Bobbyboe]

Sure. I think the author is saying it works from a mathematical standpoint.


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Ok, thinking out load and could possibly be off the rails. If I were a resident, which I’m not, and the state went to bonus points, I’d have a few questions. The first would be, what are the point totals for all people involved in this proposal? Are any of the people proposing this change just below max points for any big 5 species? If so, are their motives self serving, so they better their personal chances to draw. Because a bonus system hurts the odds for the max pool and the bottom half (new applicants). The just below max are the winners…

So, knowing now that residents will most likely going to bonus, is it a fair question to ask?

Am I over the target? Greasing the palms?

 

[slick]

I liked your explanation. Specific to Wy, do you know if:
1. There is documentation available to the public on exactly how this process works? Maybe the entire thing is contracted out to a company that has secret software for this?
2. The finalized/randomized list of each hunter and thier "low number" is available to the general public?
3. The system is audited/overseen by an independent group who monitors for fraud, errors, mistakes, etc?

I know you said WY, but ODFW does this same exact thing. Everyone gets a random application number and then they draw seeding numbers and start from there. All ran in house and highly unlikely WY would farm out private citizen info. ODFW’s is all private except for the seed number they start with. People, with relative accuracy, are able to gauge if they’re likely to draw or not