Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year

[Bighorns]

Yes, we're talking about Wyo. And Wyoming can manage our wildlife how we see fit; like any state can. And truthfully, his points are as valid as they were before 90/10. Drawing odds not so much. But it's happened to me in other states and I didn't carry on like what's happening now.

It's also harder for the residents to draw tags as the resources (sheep/moose) dwindle. Just look at the moose maps between Jackson-Yellowstone. Moose areas 7, 8, 14, 15 & 32 are all closed. All used to be good to prime areas......before....ummm....."climate change" was introduced in the 90s. That and the uncontrolled expansion of one of the Big 5 members.

 

[Ten Bears]

Yes, we're talking about Wyo. And Wyoming can manage our wildlife how we see fit; like any state can. And truthfully, his points are as valid as they were before 90/10. Drawing odds not so much. But it's happened to me in other states and I didn't carry on like what's happening now.

And no one is is saying Wyoming can’t. But the narrative that’s being pushed here is laughable.

Because someone planned and paid for a once in a lifetime opportunity and now it’s been effectively erased without any plan moving forward is tough to swallow. I especially feel for the older hunters on here.

Even worse is the obtuse sentiment by the residents on here that because someone is upset about it that it renders them selfish or a baby.

 

[Gutshot007]

Call it "THE GREAT RESET"

 

[Elknr1975]

I can see Residents reasoning. But also would be pretty pissed if I was still chasing a sheep and moose tag. I dropped out 5 years ago at 12 points. Does Wy still take away your points if you don’t keep putting in for that species??
After this new 90/10 change.
my master plan was moving to WY. In ten years. I just feel it’s going to get a lot more crowded. The next decade.

 

[bdan68]

I'm pretty sure this has already been mentioned but I can't really put any blame on the state of Wyoming, due to the fact that nobody could have known that the moose population would decrease as much as it has. And sheep too. If numbers were still the same as 15 to 20 years ago, the whole 90/10 thing I'm guessing would have never even been considered.

 

[Laramie]

I can see Residents reasoning. But also would be pretty pissed if I was still chasing a sheep and moose tag. I dropped out 5 years ago at 12 points. Does Wy still take away your points if you don’t keep putting in for that species??
After this new 90/10 change.
my master plan was moving to WY. In ten years. I just feel it’s going to get a lot more crowded. The next decade.

 

[Wyobohunter]

For Wyoming residents, here is how our politicians voted on this. It will influence how I vote in the future.

House Concurs with Senate. 90/10 for the Big 5 Onto the Governor for Signature! — 307Hunter.com

Earlier today, the Wyoming State House of Representatives concurred with the State Senate's changes to House Bill 43 by a vote of 34-21, and now the bill is onto Governor Gordon for is signature. This is a significant victory for resident hunters. Quick History ....

www.307hunter.com

 

[SummitsCalling]

It's also harder for the residents to draw tags as the resources (sheep/moose) dwindle. Just look at the moose maps between Jackson-Yellowstone. Moose areas 7, 8, 14, 15 & 32 are all closed. All used to be good to prime areas......before....ummm....."climate change" was introduced in the 90s. That and the uncontrolled expansion of one of the Big 5 members.

Sound alike WY mismanaged "their" wildlife. I would say I'm surprised but I'm not.

 

[Bighorns]

Sound alike WY mismanaged "their" wildlife. I would say I'm surprised but I'm not.

Kind of hard to hunt wolves and grizzlies with their federal protections. We didn't ask for the wolves and have been trying to get a grizzly hunt, but lawsuits get in the way. I was joking about climate change decimating the moose population.

 

[Bighorner]

For Wyoming residents, here is how our politicians voted on this. It will influence how I vote in the future.

House Concurs with Senate. 90/10 for the Big 5 Onto the Governor for Signature! — 307Hunter.com

Earlier today, the Wyoming State House of Representatives concurred with the State Senate's changes to House Bill 43 by a vote of 34-21, and now the bill is onto Governor Gordon for is signature. This is a significant victory for resident hunters. Quick History ....

www.307hunter.com

Thanks for some good info!

 

[sneaky]

Kind of hard to hunt wolves and grizzlies with their federal protections. We didn't ask for the wolves and have been trying to get a grizzly hunt, but lawsuits get in the way. I was joking about climate change decimating the moose population.

You have to spell it out for the detractors

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[bowhunter307]

I couldn't disagree more! I'd rather have more outfitted guys than diy. outfitters tend to hunt a lot of private, meaning less competition on public for me.

Also, I've never personally had an outfitted hunter oblivious to wind and thermals blow out an entire drainage. I've seen that numerous times with DIY guys.

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I know I'm replying to an old comment, but this is largely only true in the eastern half of the state. The west/nw part of the state is almost all done on national forest.

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[Wags]

At this point, from what I am hearing this compromise appears to include, transferable land-owner tags, and an up to 50% outfitter set aside for outfitted nonresident hunters. Needless to say, this change would be horrendous for the DIY nonresident hunter as the nonresident allotment would be cut in half, and then half of that would be set aside for guided hunters, all while further subtracting the nonresident landowner tags from this pool in addition.

This would be the deepest cut of all. It would definitely be a great thing for the Outfitters and Landowners from a money / business standpoint, but for the average hunter it would possibly mean the end of hunting in Wyoming. I was fortunate to spend all of my summers and fall breaks in Wyoming hunting, fishing, shooting and working around our place. I now get to share that with my kids. If this were to come to fruition that would be the end for us and so many others. I understand that change is inevitable but it still sucks to think of my kids not getting to have what I've been lucky to share with them thus far.

 

[Wags]

Good job Wyoming. I'm hoping for 95:5 in Idaho and $500 big game resident tags. This is the way forward. Resident big game tags prices are a joke. I would easily pay $1,000 every year for an OTC elk tag in my own state. Residents value the resources in the states they live in. If non-residents want to play, pay 10x the price and have <1% draw odds. Don't like it? Move west and figure it out like the rest of us. Or stay home and hunt the big game in your state, if you have any.

BTW, I participate in my state's F&G commission. I suggest you do the same.

That's because you can obviously afford that cost. I'd bet for a majority of the Residents in your state that cost increase would be too much to bare. Imagine a family that hunts together and what 4 tags plus the overall cost of the trip would be. You'd possibly price a generation of hunters out of hunting all together in a state (not necessarily ID) who's median income isn't high enough to sustain that kind of increase. How will that help the hunting community and the future of our way of life if we make it too cost prohibitive for the average family to afford?

I'm convinced that Nobody hates hunters more than hunters....

 

[Idaho_Potato]

Ummm, yes that's the point? Pricing people out is one tool to reduce participation rates. Which is the point of this thread. There are too many people going after a limited resource, specifically non residents.

It's a harsh reality that some people can't afford to do some things. I can't afford a yacht and a pair of gold plated 1911's. That's life and yes it sucks.

 

[Wags]

Ummm, yes that's the point? Pricing people out is one tool to reduce participation rates. Which is the point of this thread. There are too many people going after a limited resource, specifically non residents.

It's a harsh reality that some people can't afford to do some things. I can't afford a yacht and a pair of gold plated 1911's. That's life and yes it sucks.

So your comfortable pricing your fellow residents out of hunting as well? Turning hunting into a sport of the Have's VS the Have not's? Seems like a good way to play into the anti hunting / anti gun groups hands is to reduce our own numbers through decreased interest and availability.

I don't disagree that part of the reality of the world is we may not be able to do certain things due to cost however as prices stand now they're at least at a level where a lot of the resident population can afford them. Isn't tag availability and a reduced cost a perk of living in ID? Like you, I can afford those costs, however I think of my kids that are just starting out in life and I couldn't see how they'd justify or be able to afford to still hunt with that level of increase. Some of my best memories are times in the field with my dad, grandfather and friends. To think that a generation of middle to lower class folks wouldn't be able to have those memories, build those bonds and all the lessons learned from being in the field because someone wanted to raise prices to a level that's unrealistic seems selfish at best. As sportsman we have an obligation to the future of our way of life. IMO that kind of thinking would put that at risk. Luckily, ID isn't on my list for retirement.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Ummm, yes that's the point? Pricing people out is one tool to reduce participation rates. Which is the point of this thread. There are too many people going after a limited resource, specifically non residents.

It's a harsh reality that some people can't afford to do some things. I can't afford a yacht and a pair of gold plated 1911's. That's life and yes it sucks.

I partially agree. I think something more realistic would be to increase resident tag fees slightly, if at all. Then quadruple NR tag prices (at a minimum). If you get a tag, or buy one OTC and travel to another state for sport it should be expensive. If you want cheap hunting do it locally. Everybody wins. If hunting in a particular state were that important to a person he/she would live in that state. I intend to try a NM Aoudad hunt next year. If they raised the price as much as I suggest I’ll rethink my plans, either save up or skip it. I will not whine about it because I can hunt in my home state and the Aoudad hunt is for fun/sport.

 

[Laramie]

I partially agree. I think something more realistic would be to increase resident tag fees slightly, if at all. Then quadruple NR tag prices (at a minimum). If you get a tag, or buy one OTC and travel to another state for sport it should be expensive. If you want cheap hunting do it locally. Everybody wins. If hunting in a particular state were that important to a person he/she would live in that state.

I'm not sure if non-residents would pay quadruple but I guarantee Wyoming would easily sell out at double the price. Special tag pricing has confirmed that for many years. As a non-resident I don't want to pay double, but I would. I think that would slow down point creep as well.

 

[Wyobohunter]

I'm not sure if non-residents would pay quadruple but I guarantee Wyoming would easily sell out at double the price. Special tag pricing has confirmed that for many years. As a non-resident I don't want to pay double, but I would. I think that would slow down point creep as well.

Ok, it’s settled. From now on NR fees are double. Send 1/2 to WGFD and 1/2 to Wyobohunter. He accepts Venmo.

Ya never know

 

[CamoPirate]

Should wait for the hunting bubble to pop before making any drastic changes...maybe work on delisting grizzlies and wolves before trying to hunt our own off the landscape with financial and legal angles.